UPS -Accepting non-union mgmt. positions
05-07-2011, 01:16 AM
#82
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Joined APC: Dec 2006
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The only thing certain in the airline business is "uncertainty". In 4 1/2 short years at UPS, I watched them furlough and re-seat a large portion of the pilot group-which include displacements to Anchorage.
As we approach contract talks, it will interesting to see what roadblocks and distractions will be thrown at the pilot group. Hopefully, the prolonged negotiations that the mechanics endured will no tbe a prelude of our negotiations.
05-07-2011, 06:32 PM
#83
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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The only thing certain in the airline business is "uncertainty".
As we approach contract talks, it will interesting to see what roadblocks and distractions will be thrown at the pilot group. Hopefully, the prolonged negotiations that the mechanics endured will no tbe a prelude of our negotiations.
As we approach contract talks, it will interesting to see what roadblocks and distractions will be thrown at the pilot group. Hopefully, the prolonged negotiations that the mechanics endured will no tbe a prelude of our negotiations.
Don't expect anything less at negotiations and you won't be dissappointed.
05-08-2011, 12:42 AM
#84
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: MD11 CPT
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History is a cruel mistress...
Reading this and some of the other threads is giving me that dejavu feeling.
Not all that long ago the ONLY place to work was United or Delta. Not long before that the ONLY place to work was USAir or NWA. Before that, TWA, Pan AM, Braniff and before that...those books have been sold at garage sales.
While UPS is, and likely always will (for me at least) remain (and I think I actually coined the phrase) "Best job I ever had worst people I ever worked for" (and I've worked for doozies), I see history in the making, and me shaking my head with a crooked grin.
These days Fed Ex is invincible and the best job in the history of the history of jobs. The crew lounges run with gushing respect, no expense is spared on safety and expansion. Everybody will make captain in five years and it's the last uniform anybody will ever wear.
When I was in INDOC at UPS many years ago, many were positively glowing at all the chatter from the instructors/guest koolaid vendors, and I put on my best "happy to be here proud to serve" smile, all the while having dejavu just like I did so many years before at USAir. Well, 22 years after that USAir orgasamatron experience I would still be on furlough from USAir and UPS has sadly lived down to my skepticism. So what do I take away from that magical mystery tour?
Don't be so quick to look down on the dirty crows that fly by my purple friends...someday you may be dining on them.
Not all that long ago the ONLY place to work was United or Delta. Not long before that the ONLY place to work was USAir or NWA. Before that, TWA, Pan AM, Braniff and before that...those books have been sold at garage sales.
While UPS is, and likely always will (for me at least) remain (and I think I actually coined the phrase) "Best job I ever had worst people I ever worked for" (and I've worked for doozies), I see history in the making, and me shaking my head with a crooked grin.
These days Fed Ex is invincible and the best job in the history of the history of jobs. The crew lounges run with gushing respect, no expense is spared on safety and expansion. Everybody will make captain in five years and it's the last uniform anybody will ever wear.
When I was in INDOC at UPS many years ago, many were positively glowing at all the chatter from the instructors/guest koolaid vendors, and I put on my best "happy to be here proud to serve" smile, all the while having dejavu just like I did so many years before at USAir. Well, 22 years after that USAir orgasamatron experience I would still be on furlough from USAir and UPS has sadly lived down to my skepticism. So what do I take away from that magical mystery tour?
Don't be so quick to look down on the dirty crows that fly by my purple friends...someday you may be dining on them.
05-08-2011, 06:52 PM
#86
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Position: MD11 CPT
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I gave up my number, and even if I did go back I would have been furloughed again and on the street to this day...how messed up is that? Plus the added insult of making less than a 4 year F/O here IF I was still on property. Sully made something like $140/hour when he left after 30 years...whoa.
Look around before wringing your hands brother...
06-13-2011, 09:48 AM
#88
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I believe he was in the same unit as the ANC Chief Pilot.
SUPER nice guy, I really like him, saddened to hear he made that choice at this time with all our guys on the street.
06-13-2011, 10:05 AM
#89
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Well said Sideshow Bob.
I knew guys that quit NWA for DAL around 99 or 00. I think they were on the property for a year. Chasing the higher pay and retirement package I guess. Also knew guys that quit the process after getting on at USAir. Heard "Go with who brought you to dance" from mil to civ types. Many FDX guys still feel this way and critique anyone's decision to do otherwise despite the evidence proving that downright stupid.
Also knew guys that hung their hat on their seniority at AA, UAL and even USAir during furlough instead of pursuing other opportunities. Kinda like a deer staring into the headlights. What seemed like an easy move was not for them.
It's a gutsy call to leave brand X for brand Y when you aren't even furloughed. But early in a hiring cycle when you are still junior is the time if the move makes sense in any way. I'm not sure if leaving UPS for FDX will be sound at the end of the year but it appears to be so for hundreds. Probably not at a certain seniority level. One's relative seniority may be better in a year and you will avoid the loss of a job or seniority caused by future UPS furloughs. As the clock ticks it becomes less and less smart.
I think the trend will continue.
I knew guys that quit NWA for DAL around 99 or 00. I think they were on the property for a year. Chasing the higher pay and retirement package I guess. Also knew guys that quit the process after getting on at USAir. Heard "Go with who brought you to dance" from mil to civ types. Many FDX guys still feel this way and critique anyone's decision to do otherwise despite the evidence proving that downright stupid.
Also knew guys that hung their hat on their seniority at AA, UAL and even USAir during furlough instead of pursuing other opportunities. Kinda like a deer staring into the headlights. What seemed like an easy move was not for them.
It's a gutsy call to leave brand X for brand Y when you aren't even furloughed. But early in a hiring cycle when you are still junior is the time if the move makes sense in any way. I'm not sure if leaving UPS for FDX will be sound at the end of the year but it appears to be so for hundreds. Probably not at a certain seniority level. One's relative seniority may be better in a year and you will avoid the loss of a job or seniority caused by future UPS furloughs. As the clock ticks it becomes less and less smart.
I think the trend will continue.
Last edited by Gunter; 06-13-2011 at 10:22 AM.
06-13-2011, 11:44 AM
#90
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2009
Position: 757 FO
Posts: 86
Last week, I overheard Tim Byrd telling one of our captains that very very few of us could handle his job because of ALL of the important duties he had.
It was all that I could do not to laugh. Like none of us ever had these either in the military or at a previous airline?
I like Tim, but like some of his FQS peers, the job really inflates their heads!
It was all that I could do not to laugh. Like none of us ever had these either in the military or at a previous airline?
I like Tim, but like some of his FQS peers, the job really inflates their heads!
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