UPS -Accepting non-union mgmt. positions
04-08-2011, 06:05 PM
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lol, no I'm just a Skywest guy who wants to work for UPS someday. I'm new to these forums but I'll be looking at some of the past threads to get more info. on the management issues.
I use to work for Ameriflight and I know it sounds weird but I actually enjoyed doing some of those all nighters going back and forth from BUR and OAK so I don't mind the red eyes. It was also nice not to have to deal with flight attendant and passenger drama. I do love my job at Skywest but the money just isn't quite worth me being away from home as much as I am. This is why UPS is so appealing to me, its the kind of flying I like and they are top paid in the industry (though I believe that all pilots are underpaid in this industry). I imagine myself working at UPS and perhaps investing some of that money to allow me to retire somewhat early. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I know I'm not the only one. We'll see what happens.
I use to work for Ameriflight and I know it sounds weird but I actually enjoyed doing some of those all nighters going back and forth from BUR and OAK so I don't mind the red eyes. It was also nice not to have to deal with flight attendant and passenger drama. I do love my job at Skywest but the money just isn't quite worth me being away from home as much as I am. This is why UPS is so appealing to me, its the kind of flying I like and they are top paid in the industry (though I believe that all pilots are underpaid in this industry). I imagine myself working at UPS and perhaps investing some of that money to allow me to retire somewhat early. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I know I'm not the only one. We'll see what happens.
04-08-2011, 06:36 PM
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Don't go to UPS with THAT dream !
04-08-2011, 06:41 PM
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04-09-2011, 06:20 PM
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I'll add to it by saying this..
having just jumpseated on two UPS flights and spent some time at their impressive hub in SDF chatting with a few pilots I got the impression that their single biggest gripe, and a very legitimate one is that their management seems to seem them as truck drivers. I.E., they move boxes from A to B, therefore they're the same... right?? WRONG..
.......
YET, their management sees them as overpaid truckers..
There IS the problem.
IPA has done a great job holding up the bar... and their efforts to save the most junior among them is an example to the rest of us who will usually eat our young and have desert afterwords by working over time...
Hats off to you all, and keep up the good fight.
having just jumpseated on two UPS flights and spent some time at their impressive hub in SDF chatting with a few pilots I got the impression that their single biggest gripe, and a very legitimate one is that their management seems to seem them as truck drivers. I.E., they move boxes from A to B, therefore they're the same... right?? WRONG..
.......
YET, their management sees them as overpaid truckers..
There IS the problem.
IPA has done a great job holding up the bar... and their efforts to save the most junior among them is an example to the rest of us who will usually eat our young and have desert afterwords by working over time...
Hats off to you all, and keep up the good fight.
04-09-2011, 06:28 PM
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Nice thought. They would probably make a bunch more money. They have some extremely able people in the pilot ranks, both management and non-management. Its not going to happen.
04-09-2011, 07:27 PM
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No worries, if you go to management at UPS, you can be a 747-400 Designee within a year!!
[It'd be funny if it wasn't true - we've got FAA Designees on the property who were hired with zero Part 121 PIC time. In fact, our minimum time to be an instructor is 200 hours PIC at UPS. A previous Training Center Manager submitted guys to be Designees before they became instructors because there was no contractual minimum on Examiners! Think about that and wonder why there's a problem? The guy giving you the checkride isn't even qualified to be an instructor. He's a check airman because he's got a black (mgmt) nametag]
Welcome to UPS the Bizarro Airline where everything is backwards - the junior guys on the property check and "supervise" the senior guys.
[It'd be funny if it wasn't true - we've got FAA Designees on the property who were hired with zero Part 121 PIC time. In fact, our minimum time to be an instructor is 200 hours PIC at UPS. A previous Training Center Manager submitted guys to be Designees before they became instructors because there was no contractual minimum on Examiners! Think about that and wonder why there's a problem? The guy giving you the checkride isn't even qualified to be an instructor. He's a check airman because he's got a black (mgmt) nametag]
Welcome to UPS the Bizarro Airline where everything is backwards - the junior guys on the property check and "supervise" the senior guys.
04-10-2011, 07:17 AM
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In fact, our minimum time to be an instructor is 200 hours PIC at UPS.
Welcome to UPS the Bizarro Airline where everything is backwards - the junior guys on the property check and "supervise" the senior guys.[/QUOTE]
yeah I guess if I had a private pilot training me to fly the RJ or EMB120 it'd be pretty annoying for me too. Outside the awkwardness and backwardness of all this is there any practical problems with the uniqueness of this management model (i.e people getting written up, fired or taken advantage of unnecessarily).
Welcome to UPS the Bizarro Airline where everything is backwards - the junior guys on the property check and "supervise" the senior guys.[/QUOTE]
yeah I guess if I had a private pilot training me to fly the RJ or EMB120 it'd be pretty annoying for me too. Outside the awkwardness and backwardness of all this is there any practical problems with the uniqueness of this management model (i.e people getting written up, fired or taken advantage of unnecessarily).
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