Atlas
05-04-2011, 09:36 PM
#111
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Position: Ex USAF, ex-ATA , currently Atlas Air 747 CA
Posts: 324
Well, let's start off with "I'm sorry I called you a 2%er."
In the 150 + pages in the APC Atlas hiring thread and the 10+ pages here, your first couple of posts come out and I just hadn't heard such strong and negative language. Your tone seemed to me to be much more "forceful" and laced with stars (the ***** stuff) that I felt that you were negatively biased towards the Atlas pilots, the Atlas/Polar merger, the contract, and posters on these boards who seem to want to help out aspiring new hires, that I ASSUMED that you were not such a great guy.
My Bad. Clearly you're a smart guy and a great pilot to fly with.
I have never seen on any of these APC Atlas threads ANY animosity between the Polar and the Atlas guys. In fact, from outside appearances only, this merger is so far away from the poison of the AW/USA merger, the AT/SWA, or even the NW/DAL relationships that it has been a pleasant surprise. I'm sure there are differences, but whatever negative points there may be with an Atlas/Polar merger, there are significant gains on both sides and a much brighter outlook than almost every other airline out there - especially from the point of view of a pilot who is so near TOD of his flying career.
You are also very correct that I am not that special. I am not a 1224 basher because I have absolutely no history with them. I can't post on the 1224 website. I am not even an Atlas pilot. In fact, until today, I was just a lowly poolie at Atlas. However, today I got a call with an invitation to a 747-400 class at Atlas on May, 30 and I couldn't be more psyched about it.
After being furloughed from a 15 year career at Astar Air Cargo, I can assure you that I have seen more catastrophic, stupid, antagonistic, caustic, and spiteful decisions by airline management than I want to remember. These managerial actions came at such a time and in such a manner that at least three of my colleagues actually committed suicide over their despair. You are obviously mad about some things and really worried about others, but your overlord's treatment of your pilot group has yet to cause any of your buddies to stick a gun in their mouth.
The grass on the other side of the fence can always be blacker, so I think I can see well beyond your nightmares.
But, I have chosen to not carry the poison of that history in my blood. I have my health, a beautiful family, and now, a job that, to me looks pretty freakin' good. So I'm not a 2%er, either. I like flying. If I see union crap I don't like, I try to work with the system to fix it - if not this time, maybe next. And I like the potential I see with my new job.
So, I'll see you in the cockpit someday and since you'll be senior to me, I'll let you buy me a foreign beer somewhere over there and we can solve these issues once and for all.
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In the 150 + pages in the APC Atlas hiring thread and the 10+ pages here, your first couple of posts come out and I just hadn't heard such strong and negative language. Your tone seemed to me to be much more "forceful" and laced with stars (the ***** stuff) that I felt that you were negatively biased towards the Atlas pilots, the Atlas/Polar merger, the contract, and posters on these boards who seem to want to help out aspiring new hires, that I ASSUMED that you were not such a great guy.
My Bad. Clearly you're a smart guy and a great pilot to fly with.
I have never seen on any of these APC Atlas threads ANY animosity between the Polar and the Atlas guys. In fact, from outside appearances only, this merger is so far away from the poison of the AW/USA merger, the AT/SWA, or even the NW/DAL relationships that it has been a pleasant surprise. I'm sure there are differences, but whatever negative points there may be with an Atlas/Polar merger, there are significant gains on both sides and a much brighter outlook than almost every other airline out there - especially from the point of view of a pilot who is so near TOD of his flying career.
You are also very correct that I am not that special. I am not a 1224 basher because I have absolutely no history with them. I can't post on the 1224 website. I am not even an Atlas pilot. In fact, until today, I was just a lowly poolie at Atlas. However, today I got a call with an invitation to a 747-400 class at Atlas on May, 30 and I couldn't be more psyched about it.
After being furloughed from a 15 year career at Astar Air Cargo, I can assure you that I have seen more catastrophic, stupid, antagonistic, caustic, and spiteful decisions by airline management than I want to remember. These managerial actions came at such a time and in such a manner that at least three of my colleagues actually committed suicide over their despair. You are obviously mad about some things and really worried about others, but your overlord's treatment of your pilot group has yet to cause any of your buddies to stick a gun in their mouth.
The grass on the other side of the fence can always be blacker, so I think I can see well beyond your nightmares.
But, I have chosen to not carry the poison of that history in my blood. I have my health, a beautiful family, and now, a job that, to me looks pretty freakin' good. So I'm not a 2%er, either. I like flying. If I see union crap I don't like, I try to work with the system to fix it - if not this time, maybe next. And I like the potential I see with my new job.
So, I'll see you in the cockpit someday and since you'll be senior to me, I'll let you buy me a foreign beer somewhere over there and we can solve these issues once and for all.
8
Last edited by Talon1011; 05-05-2011 at 02:41 AM. Reason: verbage addition
05-04-2011, 09:47 PM
#112
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 21
Well, let's start off with "I'm sorry I called you a 2%er."
In the 150 + pages in the APC Atlas hiring thread and the 10+ pages here, your first couple of posts come out and I just hadn't heard such strong and negative language. Your tone seemed to me to be much more "forceful" and laced with stars (the ***** stuff) that I felt that you were negatively biased towards the Atlas pilots, the Atlas/Polar merger, the contract, and posters on these boards who seem to want to help out aspiring new hires, that I ASSUMED that you were not such a great guy.
My Bad. Clearly you're a smart guy and a great pilot to fly with.
I have never seen on any of these APC Atlas threads ANY animosity between the Polar and the Atlas guys. In fact, from outside appearances only, this merger is so far away from the poison of the AW/USA merger, the AT/SWA, or even the NW/DAL relationships that it has been a pleasant surprise. I'm sure there are differences, but whatever negative points there may be with an Atlas/Polar merger, there are significant gains on both sides and a much brighter outlook than almost every other airline out there - especially from the point of view of a pilot who is so near TOD of his flying career.
You are also very correct that I am not that special. I am not a 1224 basher because I have absolutely no history with them. I can't post on the 1224 website. I am not even an Atlas pilot. In fact, until today, I was just a lowly poolie at Atlas. However, today I got a call with an invitation to a 747-400 class at Atlas on May, 30 and I couldn't be more psyched about it.
After being furloughed from a 15 year career at Astar Air Cargo, I can assure you that I have seen more catastrophic, stupid, antagonistic, caustic, and spiteful decisions by airline management than I want to remember. These managerial actions came at such a time and in such a manner that at least three of my colleagues actually committed suicide over their despair. You are obviously mad about some things and really worried about others, but your overlord's treatment of your pilot group has yet to cause any of your buddies to stick a gun in their mouth.
The grass on the other side of the fence can always be blacker, so I think I can see well beyond your nightmares.
But, I have chosen to not carry the poison of that history in my blood. I have my health, a beautiful family, and now, a job that, to me looks pretty freakin' good. So I'm not a 2%er, either. I like flying. If I see union crap I don't like, I try to work with the system to fix it - if not this time, maybe next. And I like the potential I see with my new job.
So, I'll see you in the cockpit someday and since you'll be senior to me, I'll let you buy me a foreign beer somewhere over there and we can solve these issues once and for all.
8
In the 150 + pages in the APC Atlas hiring thread and the 10+ pages here, your first couple of posts come out and I just hadn't heard such strong and negative language. Your tone seemed to me to be much more "forceful" and laced with stars (the ***** stuff) that I felt that you were negatively biased towards the Atlas pilots, the Atlas/Polar merger, the contract, and posters on these boards who seem to want to help out aspiring new hires, that I ASSUMED that you were not such a great guy.
My Bad. Clearly you're a smart guy and a great pilot to fly with.
I have never seen on any of these APC Atlas threads ANY animosity between the Polar and the Atlas guys. In fact, from outside appearances only, this merger is so far away from the poison of the AW/USA merger, the AT/SWA, or even the NW/DAL relationships that it has been a pleasant surprise. I'm sure there are differences, but whatever negative points there may be with an Atlas/Polar merger, there are significant gains on both sides and a much brighter outlook than almost every other airline out there - especially from the point of view of a pilot who is so near TOD of his flying career.
You are also very correct that I am not that special. I am not a 1224 basher because I have absolutely no history with them. I can't post on the 1224 website. I am not even an Atlas pilot. In fact, until today, I was just a lowly poolie at Atlas. However, today I got a call with an invitation to a 747-400 class at Atlas on May, 30 and I couldn't be more psyched about it.
After being furloughed from a 15 year career at Astar Air Cargo, I can assure you that I have seen more catastrophic, stupid, antagonistic, caustic, and spiteful decisions by airline management than I want to remember. These managerial actions came at such a time and in such a manner that at least three of my colleagues actually committed suicide over their despair. You are obviously mad about some things and really worried about others, but your overlord's treatment of your pilot group has yet to cause any of your buddies to stick a gun in their mouth.
The grass on the other side of the fence can always be blacker, so I think I can see well beyond your nightmares.
But, I have chosen to not carry the poison of that history in my blood. I have my health, a beautiful family, and now, a job that, to me looks pretty freakin' good. So I'm not a 2%er, either. I like flying. If I see union crap I don't like, I try to work with the system to fix it - if not this time, maybe next. And I like the potential I see with my new job.
So, I'll see you in the cockpit someday and since you'll be senior to me, I'll let you buy me a foreign beer somewhere over there and we can solve these issues once and for all.
8
05-05-2011, 12:06 PM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Posts: 188
boys,,,here is how alot of us think, on the line its gonna be done...#1..scope( the major section) and 2 other smaller sections are in the hands of Richard Kasher(arbitrator),, once he rules on these sections,,,scope being the biggest part...thats when the 767 `s will come out....the company is waiting to see if they can start an alter ego, sub-par pay, non union airline(TITAN) or if they will have to keep it on the master seniority list. we on the line have heard every rumor and probably believe its true...but with no SCOPE,, its like ****sing in the wind.....they will just move assets to another holding company if things dont go their way......blah blah blah,,some ol same ol stuff every other airline management plays...lets just wait and see what Kasher has to say...should be soon.....very skeptical......
06-02-2011, 05:18 PM
#118
Line Holder
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 80
anyone have the latest on interviews? i've been updating for over a year, still hoping to get a call. any idea if anyone being interviewed had biz jet experience only? i'm flying a GIV and I wonder if that isn't going to cut the mustard.
06-02-2011, 07:07 PM
#119
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Position: DD->DH->RU/XE soon to be EV
Posts: 3,732
A guy hired in my interview group was a laid off Gulfstream pilot. But he had also taken a job with Eagle and been there for a few months before interviewing at Atlas. Presumably to stay current and he was from the MIA IIRC.
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