So What's up with the age 60 rule?
#11
Line Holder
Joined APC: May 2005
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Age 60/HR 5576
Nothing will happen in congress this year on age 60. It is not impossible that the FAA goes along with the ICAO mandate, but it sort of seems odd that they would open themselves up to that sort of liability without first doing some pretty major studies and going through the rule making process.
#12
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`(2) APPLICABILITY- Nothing in paragraph (1) shall provide the basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, made by any pilot seeking re-employment by such air carrier following the pilot's previous termination or cessation of employment as mandated by section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.[/LIST][/LIST][LIST][LIST]
nice to see the hand of the ATA in there making sure that their members needs are met.
`(2) APPLICABILITY- Nothing in paragraph (1) shall provide the basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, made by any pilot seeking re-employment by such air carrier following the pilot's previous termination or cessation of employment as mandated by section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.[/LIST][/LIST][LIST][LIST]
nice to see the hand of the ATA in there making sure that their members needs are met.
#13
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Age 60
HR 65 has been passed by the House raising the age limit from 60 to 65. To think that the US will continue to be one of only 4 countries under the ICAO to limit pilot retirement age to 60 is slightly narrow minded! The Senate will now have to vote on the bill. If you want to track this bill just go to www.thomas.loc.gov and you can obtain all the information that you want concerning this legislation.
#14
The HR 5576 has been passed by the House raising the age 60 retirement age to age 65 in line with the ICAO rule which will change November 23, 2006. HR 5576 passed without Sec 114. The Senate has yet to vote on HR 5576. If passed by the Senate with Sec 114 included then HR 5576 will need to go to conference to harmonize the bills. If you want to track this bill and any future bills in the House or Senate got to www.thomas.loc.gov and enter the bill number and you track any bill from start to finish.
There is a companion bill in House of Representatives, H.R.65 that was introduced by Congressman Jim Gibbons (R-Nevada). H.R.65 has 74 cosponsors. The Latest Major Action on H.R.65 was on 5 January 2005 when it was referred to House subcommittee on Aviation. H.R.65 I is still stuck in Committee without any sign of action.
The Latest Major Action for S.65 was on 30 March 2006 was when it was placed on the Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders, Calendar No. 382. There are now 60 Senators who have said they would vote in favor of S.65 and only 51 YES votes are needed for it to pass. A vote is expected at any time. If and when S.65 passes in the Senate it is expected to pass easily and rapidly in the House of Representatives.
The International Civil Aviation Organization—ICAO, now recognizes the harm done by the age 60 rule standard and will amend the international standard to age 65, which should become applicable on 23 November 2006. The Burns substitute amendment to The U.S. Senate Bill S. 65, if voted into law by the U.S. Congress, would direct the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) Secretary to adopt the ICAO standard or recommended practice within 30 days after the ICAO acts on the matter.
Last edited by OV1D; 09-12-2006 at 11:46 PM.
#17
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The 65 thing is dead in the water. It will not pass this year. There will be an amendment to the ICAO this Nov. Also one of the two biggest supporters, Jim Gibbons, is leaving the House this Fall. He is the one who has introduced this Bill every year for the past 5 years. Now all we need is that Senator from OK. to retire.
#18
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Actually, I don't think it's dead at all. H.R.5576 passed the house and is in the Senate as S.3660. It appears the guy I talked to may be correct. Although, I haven't found the same language in the Senate bill yet.
Ok, here's the language from H.R.5576:
SEC. 114. AGE OF PILOTS. (a) Modification of FAA's Age-60 Rule- Within 30 days after the effective date of action taken by the International Civil Aviation Organization to amend Annex 1 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation to modify the international standard and recommended practice for Member State curtailment of pilot privileges by reason of age, as agreed and recommended by Air Navigation Commission at the 10th meeting of its 167th session, following its review of the recommendations of the Flight Crew Licensing and Training Panel Working Group A's report AN-WP/7982, the Secretary of Transportation shall modify section 121.383(c) of the Federal Aviation Administration regulations (14 CFR 121.383(c)) to be consistent with the amended standard or recommended practice--
(1) to provide that a pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under 10 part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until having attained 65 years of age on the condition that such pilot may so serve only--
(A) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(B) when another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations has not yet attained 60 years of age; and
(2) to eliminate the prohibition against an air carrier engaged in such operations from using the services of a pilot who has attained 60 years of age.
Ok, here's the language from H.R.5576:
SEC. 114. AGE OF PILOTS. (a) Modification of FAA's Age-60 Rule- Within 30 days after the effective date of action taken by the International Civil Aviation Organization to amend Annex 1 to the Convention on International Civil Aviation to modify the international standard and recommended practice for Member State curtailment of pilot privileges by reason of age, as agreed and recommended by Air Navigation Commission at the 10th meeting of its 167th session, following its review of the recommendations of the Flight Crew Licensing and Training Panel Working Group A's report AN-WP/7982, the Secretary of Transportation shall modify section 121.383(c) of the Federal Aviation Administration regulations (14 CFR 121.383(c)) to be consistent with the amended standard or recommended practice--
(1) to provide that a pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under 10 part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until having attained 65 years of age on the condition that such pilot may so serve only--
(A) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(B) when another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations has not yet attained 60 years of age; and
(2) to eliminate the prohibition against an air carrier engaged in such operations from using the services of a pilot who has attained 60 years of age.
Last edited by MX727; 09-13-2006 at 08:09 AM.
#19
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: CA 767
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My Congressman just e-mailed me last week. He said it was Dead in the E-mail. He said the FAA and the DOT will be putting an amendment to the ICAO rule this Nov. Also, with elections around the corner, and Congress going home Oct. 6th, it's dead.
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