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Old 03-26-2011, 04:27 AM
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American’s flight attendants forbidden to strike

By Christopher Hinton, MarketWatch

NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — The U.S. isn’t allowing flight attendants at financially strapped American Airlines to walk the picket lines any time soon, and that could change the tone of labor negotiations across the industry, some experts said Friday.

The National Mediation Board, the U.S. agency that referees labor-management relations for airlines, has ignored a request made a year ago by the Association of Professional Flight Attendants, asking the federal government to release it from negotiations for what’s called a 30-day cooling-off period, which then allows for a strike.

For almost three years, American Airlines flight attendants have been in talks with management, seeking improved wages and benefits as well as more job security. But management has refused to deal until the union allows it more scheduling flexibility for workers in order to increase productivity.

The NMB later said the carrier’s fragile finances and the weakened national economy would weigh heavily on its decision, according to the union.

The NMB said it would not comment on any ongoing labor negotiation.

“The political reality is, to a large extent, defined by the state of the economy,” said APFA President Laura Glading in a statement. “Consequently, it is clear to us that the White House will avoid any kind of disruption. And we cannot lose sight of the fact that the National Mediation Board answers to the White House.”

It’s a clear signal to any union, at American or elsewhere, that trying to win a contract that would result in an unsustainable outcome won’t be supported by the government, said Jerry Glass, a labor expert at F&H Consultants Group

“If a union has a demand on the table that can be shown by management that it is unsustainable, that it would put the airline at financial jeopardy... you will remain in negotiations,” he said.

“I think this will put people back at the table, and American will likely get the productivity changes it wants,” said Bill Swelbar, an airline industry expert at Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

American Airlines’ parent, AMR Corp. (AMR 6.50, -0.01, -0.15%) , is the only major carrier forecast to post annual losses over the next two years, based on a survey of analysts by FactSet Research.

“While American Airlines’ lagging performance is not our fault, it is clearly becoming our problem,” said Glading.

Christopher Hinton is a reporter for MarketWatch based in New York.
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See does not matter... republican OR Democrat they are not about to let a Major transportation disruption happen.
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See does not matter... republican OR Democrat they are not about to let a Major transportation disruption happen.
So, vote for your republican and feel safe in the "knowledge" that it doesn't make any difference.

OR, read the Railway Labor Act and discover how negotiations really work.
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AA FA's or not, we are MANY years away from any NMB decisions ...
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I support unions,,,,, but everyone thought with the current administration that things would change .... and they really haven't. Oh they let the Spirit strike happen... knowing it was but a very small percentage of air travel in this country. I hope the FA's get what they deserve.. but without the threat of strike how much teeth the the unions really have at the "end game". Good luck to all of those in negotiations.
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Hmmm...I wonder if it's just a coincidence?

The American Pilots (APA) was not allowed to strike.
The American Flt Attendants (APFA) is not allowed to go into self help.

Both of those groups left an AFL-CIO member union and started their own in house union.
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Hmmm...I wonder if it's just a coincidence?

The American Pilots (APA) was not allowed to strike.
The American Flt Attendants (APFA) is not allowed to go into self help.

Both of those groups left an AFL-CIO member union and started their own in house union.
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You get the gold ring! Recall that Clinton wouldn't let the AA pilots strike BUT he did allow Northwest to strike. Politics can make a difficult trail to follow at times. Just have to dig - which you did.
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You get the gold ring! Recall that Clinton wouldn't let the AA pilots strike BUT he did allow Northwest to strike. Politics can make a difficult trail to follow at times. Just have to dig - which you did.
Well he did NOT allow AMFA (the NW mechanics union) to strike the first time in 2001 pre 9/11. But did allow them to strike in 2005 because NW had spent the better part of two years and several million dollars to train scabs and told Bush basically to stay out of it since they were hell bent on busting the union. But did allow the NW pilots to strike in 98.
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Well he did NOT allow AMFA (the NW mechanics union) to strike the first time in 2001 pre 9/11. But did allow them to strike in 2005 because NW had spent the better part of two years and several million dollars to train scabs and told Bush basically to stay out of it since they were hell bent on busting the union. But did allow the NW pilots to strike in 98.
Who's "he" in 2001 and 2005?????
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Who's "he" in 2001 and 2005?????
Geo Bush Jr....Although Clinton I believe was president during the NW pilots strike. But was Bush for the ones I mentioned for AMFA..My bad
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