RedeyeAV8r

Horns is more like it............just kidding

Short Bus Drive

"I can't think of an example where any airline ever paid an overtime bonus (125 or 150%) for work voluntarily picked up"

Spirit pays 150% for picking up open time on days off. if they junior man, you get 200%.(On top of line guarantee)
DTW-(LAS,LAX,SFO)-DTW on a day off =18 hrs pay.(you levae at night, get home in morning two days later-basically one day away from home). If junior manned, 24 hours pay!!!

CaptainMark

that is your choice....some like the extra pay...guys sit on reserve that live in memphis and do carryover when there are plenty of reserves and make more money and sit at home...i would not want to work long carryover for straight pay but some do...whatever!...i find that the ones who complain about carryover can't hold it or commute...seems to me the senior guys bid it consistently...so they will keel over and we get more senior (and do carryover)..

fly2ski

Ya I flew with a guy who was shocked when the trip trade was capped at 12 hours per month in the first contract. Before that he was trip trading his line up 35-40 hours a month. He looked alot better the last few years before retiring. I know alot of people still take advantage of this option to up their income and reduce time away from home. Massaging your sked is a huge part of life on the line at FDX.

RedeyeAV8r

Yes Mark it is my choice, but if you remember all the rallys, one of the issues B.C (negotiating chair), kept bringing up was pilots working overtime at Straight pay. That is what carry over is. Carry over is not calculated for AVG BLG for value of R lines or 2ndary lines.

If we got paid a premium for flying it...carry over and other extra flying (above a certain line value)..and it was calculated into the R line value, I would have much less heartburn with it. I understand that guys use it to beef up their paychecks and High 5. The problem is these same pilots who have been doing it while negotiations were going on were partially responsible for us coming in on the Low expectation side of this TA. That is the main beef from most of us.

MX727

There are some dynamics that cause problems.

Occasionally, someone is only going to be able to get a carryover line that also allows him to have the days off he needs in the current month. Once he gets the carryover he has to be able to conflict it next month with a line that also works for him in other ways, in order for him to not have to work extra.

Now, if he can't do that, he is stuck. If he drops the carryover or trips to get down to a normal schedule, he is going to take a big hit the middle of the following month. Getting a zero or near zero check can't be fun, so I can understand this guy working the extra.

I don't understand the guys who bid and protect carryover every single month. Seems they are working too hard.

I do understand guys who M/U. They got paid for a trip, dropped it and don't want to get hit with a deduction in the following month, or want to recover that money in the middle of the third month.

CaptainMark

i am trying to figure this out....if the company accepted the 200 million dollar difference between the two proposals..as webb claims...40 mill/yr for 4 years...then how is this lo expectations?...we were polled on what we wanted and bob took it to the table...and you generalize(most of us)..everyone i have talked to is voting for it..i guess we will see...and r1200rt is never happy..must be all those ex wifes...to be honest i think the NC did a good job and they built upon the first contract...let's move on

CaptainMark

good points..everyone is different..no carryover for me cause i race on sundays...

sandman2122

Well tell me, what in this TA stands out that WE as a group got a good/great deal?







anyone?









anyone?

Orion

I too am trying to figure out how this constitutes a good agreement.

The company makes over a billion a year and we are able to eke out COLA.

Our "retro pay" is calculated at 7% which equals less than COLA.

The company has held this money collecting interest for the past two and a half years. So I'm guessing they didn't quite finance the entire "retro pay" in this two and a half years so the pilot group will wait another 6, 8 or 10 months to get the second payment ensuring that we finance as much of the "retro pay" as possible.

Am I missing something here?

I really don't care to hear we got what we deserved. I remember no strike vote, no cooling off period, no self help. Granted those are last resort, but we were far from it.

Maybe pay wasn't one of the main issues but i'm looking for gains that offset lack of a pay raise and can't seem to find them.