MaxKts

Doesn't this happen every time we get airborne?

That's going to be a lot of AML entries and can you imagine the FSR's

The Walrus

Maybe that is what we should do. Write it up every flt.

"After pm called rotate, the aircraft departed the runway vertically."

Busboy

When I first read it, I thought they meant, "If you leaves any portion of the aircraft on the operating surface, an AML entry is required."

gcsass

Half the 727's have EFB's....are you serious????

FXDX

Ok, I was wrong. Its more than half.

39 out of 70 according to the 1/27/2011 fleet status.

Chuck Turpen

An MD-11 crew in SFS on taxi in lined up on the taxiway edge lights. Destroyed a couple of tires and a bunch of lights. After spending 45 min in Ops making phone calls to the US to folks you would call if you had done something like this they went to the hotel without saying a word to MX or anyone in SFS.

You be the judge as to why this is in the FOM

MaydayMark

At the risk of thread drift (mostly thanks to BB)

It's the FedEx way ... someone screws up and everybody gets treated like a child? Please do tell us Chuck ... how come "FUEL LEVERS OFF" is on the MD-11 shutdown checklist? Who left the a/c with the engines still running? How about the ZFW we have to fill in on the FPR after we receive the w/b? Who took off overweight?

Busdrivr

Hah, you 727 guys have no where near the percentage of EFBs that us Bus guys have. Dinosaurs.

And as far as the HUDs go... the MDs better not even try to compare themselves to the Bus.

Chuck Turpen

I'm pretty sure McBoeing put the fuel levers on the shutdown check list, but you are probably right about the ZFW.

Probably the same reason we have guys check in in place on deviations because the few bad boys spoil it for us all by not being in place.

Guys want to complain about deadheading on trains in the TA but the reality is that is what guys are already doing.

We(as agroup) do it to ourselves.

FoxHunter

ZFW story? Well one day many years ago a DC-10-30 was scheduled to fly LHR-MEM. The station sent GOC a projected payload of 150.0. GOC sent a flight plan based on a 50.0 payload. The aircraft was fueled with this flight plan. All the the other paperwork was correct, flight plan fuel, correct payload of around 150.0 on the W&B. Since the aircraft tends to burn a bit more fuel when it is 100,000 pounds heavier a rather large excess burn was noted. The aircraft did not have the fuel to go nonstop MEM so thy stopped at some place like Gander. the requirement to write the actual ZFW under the planned ZFW was introduced.

Fuel levers off? Not sure what happened at FedEx but Barry Schiff who wrote for Flying Magazine and AOPA Pilot told a story years ago about flying the L1011 at TWA. Parked the 1011 at the gate very close to the roadway at the terminal. Standing outside waiting for the hotel van when they realized the reason they could not hear each other talk was the aircraft at the gate near them, their aircraft, and number 2 engine was left running.

My story. Years ago at Tigers, on the 727 we made our normal stop at BWI. We had a transponder problem that I wrote up with the expectation that it would be MELd. Our maint guy fixed the problem. At Tigers on the before start check list there was an item LDG GEAR DOWN THREE GREEN.
On a transit stop we normally only read the DOTS. The landing gear item was not one of those dots. We finished the checklist, all ready to start, when I noticed that the landing gear handle was in the UP position. The mechanic had pinned the gear, put the handle up to access the transponder, and forgot to put the handle back down. After that event Tiger changed the procedure to require the whole checklist be read if any work was done on the aircraft.

The 747s at Tigers had had FUEL LEVERS--OFF on the before start check. Yep, another story.