FedEx TA and Right to Work changes
03-09-2011, 03:06 AM
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03-09-2011, 04:31 AM
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Directive 10-289 coming soon to a nation near you!
03-09-2011, 04:42 AM
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"You are correct, the public sector has been the fastest growing component in this country for a very long time. Unfortunately it produces zero wealth, in fact it has greatly reduced funds available to the private sector for investment and growth"...Jungle
Teachers who educate pilots, doctors, CEOs, lawyers, etc produce zero wealth? Yep, they create nothing...in the strict sense. Public school curriculums have become a farce as federal meddling in "education" increases. Police and fireman who protect our lives and property produce zero wealth? Yep, they produce zero wealth. As you already stated though, they do protect it. Public workers who maintain our infrastructure and provide the services necessary to produce a productive business environment produce zero wealth? Public workers aren't necessary for these services. How do public workers ever produce a productive business environment?! The FAA employees who regulate our industry and control the very air space we operate in produces zero wealth? Nope.I guarantee that each one of the above individuals are responsible for building more wealth in America they any of us could ever hope to do by moving boxes from point A to B.... It was never a comparison of box haulers and public employees and for a lot less money.
Teachers who educate pilots, doctors, CEOs, lawyers, etc produce zero wealth? Yep, they create nothing...in the strict sense. Public school curriculums have become a farce as federal meddling in "education" increases. Police and fireman who protect our lives and property produce zero wealth? Yep, they produce zero wealth. As you already stated though, they do protect it. Public workers who maintain our infrastructure and provide the services necessary to produce a productive business environment produce zero wealth? Public workers aren't necessary for these services. How do public workers ever produce a productive business environment?! The FAA employees who regulate our industry and control the very air space we operate in produces zero wealth? Nope.I guarantee that each one of the above individuals are responsible for building more wealth in America they any of us could ever hope to do by moving boxes from point A to B.... It was never a comparison of box haulers and public employees and for a lot less money.
03-09-2011, 06:31 AM
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The point of the thread before we got hijacked on political ideology was to simply ask is it smart to agree to the current TA which will essentially push further negotiations 2 years down the line into a potential hostile political environment for collective bargaining, vs rejecting the TA and continue pushing for the issues that effect most of the crew force.
But, I totally agree that this is the time to negotiate rather than waiting for 2 more years. As one poster said, what will be the company's issue next time?
There is always uncertainty. NPRM, oil prices, fleet plans, expansion/retraction plans, pension legislation, unionization of other employee groups, independent contractor status, you name it. We are being played big time here.
I agree that hours of service will most likely need to be addressed after the NPRM. But what does that have to do with the other 95% of our contract? Does a fix for accepted fares or 4.A.2.b. have anything to do with the NPRM?
The answer is NO. Did any of you tell the union during the Wilson polling that you didn't want to fix many items in the contract and take a 3% raise? Is giving away much of the best parts of our US based bidpack worth a cost of living raise that we will get back paid anyway? It's a giveaway!
Why does the MEC support it? I'm not sure, but in this very minor contract TA, they took the time to fix their pay issues!
03-09-2011, 04:02 PM
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Let's not kid ourselves and think we are somehow different that other union members. We are simply hourly blue collar workers with a white collar salary trapped by a seniority system that allows zero lateral movement.
GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
03-09-2011, 04:09 PM
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Let's not kid ourselves and think we are somehow different that other union members. We are simply hourly blue collar workers with a white collar salary trapped by a seniority system that allows zero lateral movement.
GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
GOP rams anti-union bill through Wis. Senate - Politics - More politics - msnbc.com
Take a look at the real numbers I posted earlier, stop the fantasy before it really hurts you.
If you actually think any of the propaganda is going to help you, you have lost.
Get the facts gentlemen, and rest assured they don't come from the TV or mass media.
03-09-2011, 05:19 PM
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There are fish in the sea who only bite on the bait from the left side of the boat.
Take a look at the real numbers I posted earlier, stop the fantasy before it really hurts you.
If you actually think any of the propaganda is going to help you, you have lost.
Get the facts gentlemen, and rest assured they don't come from the TV or mass media.
Take a look at the real numbers I posted earlier, stop the fantasy before it really hurts you.
If you actually think any of the propaganda is going to help you, you have lost.
Get the facts gentlemen, and rest assured they don't come from the TV or mass media.
I have to agree with pragmatic. It isn't a good time for the unions. Yes, they've been on the decline for years, but it seems to have accelerated greatly.
I also agree that we are a blue collar job with white collar wages. We want to think of ourselves in a different light, but we work a trade.
I don't pay much attention to any particular news source, but it is obvious that those of us in unions aren't garnering a lot of national sympathy. However, in Wisconsin, the situation has turned into such a mess that the governors job approval rating is going down fast.
I'll just say this, I tend to vote more republican than democrat, but the republican party is no friend to labor. I tend to lean conservative for most things, but I know they are less likely to support our union. I don't think that is really a surprise to any of us, is it?
03-09-2011, 05:32 PM
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In fact no party is a friend to labor, I challenge you to produce any evidence at all to the contrary based on factual history.
We are on the cusp of change in much of the world, but it is a change driven by harsh reality and not misplaced idealism.
Unions had their day when people worked six days a week to scrape by, times change and the struggle we face now is how to support a third of the population on the backs of the workforce. A workforce that is mostly( about 90%) non-union.
Strike one good blow against what I have said here and I will call you Master.
jungle,
I have to agree with pragmatic. It isn't a good time for the unions. Yes, they've been on the decline for years, but it seems to have accelerated greatly.
I also agree that we are a blue collar job with white collar wages. We want to think of ourselves in a different light, but we work a trade.
I don't pay much attention to any particular news source, but it is obvious that those of us in unions aren't garnering a lot of national sympathy. However, in Wisconsin, the situation has turned into such a mess that the governors job approval rating is going down fast.
I'll just say this, I tend to vote more republican than democrat, but the republican party is no friend to labor. I tend to lean conservative for most things, but I know they are less likely to support our union. I don't think that is really a surprise to any of us, is it?
I have to agree with pragmatic. It isn't a good time for the unions. Yes, they've been on the decline for years, but it seems to have accelerated greatly.
I also agree that we are a blue collar job with white collar wages. We want to think of ourselves in a different light, but we work a trade.
I don't pay much attention to any particular news source, but it is obvious that those of us in unions aren't garnering a lot of national sympathy. However, in Wisconsin, the situation has turned into such a mess that the governors job approval rating is going down fast.
I'll just say this, I tend to vote more republican than democrat, but the republican party is no friend to labor. I tend to lean conservative for most things, but I know they are less likely to support our union. I don't think that is really a surprise to any of us, is it?
We are on the cusp of change in much of the world, but it is a change driven by harsh reality and not misplaced idealism.
Unions had their day when people worked six days a week to scrape by, times change and the struggle we face now is how to support a third of the population on the backs of the workforce. A workforce that is mostly( about 90%) non-union.
Strike one good blow against what I have said here and I will call you Master.
Last edited by jungle; 03-09-2011 at 05:46 PM.
03-09-2011, 05:49 PM
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jungle,
I have to agree with pragmatic. It isn't a good time for the unions. Yes, they've been on the decline for years, but it seems to have accelerated greatly.
I also agree that we are a blue collar job with white collar wages. We want to think of ourselves in a different light, but we work a trade.
I don't pay much attention to any particular news source, but it is obvious that those of us in unions aren't garnering a lot of national sympathy. However, in Wisconsin, the situation has turned into such a mess that the governors job approval rating is going down fast.
I'll just say this, I tend to vote more republican than democrat, but the republican party is no friend to labor. I tend to lean conservative for most things, but I know they are less likely to support our union. I don't think that is really a surprise to any of us, is it?
I have to agree with pragmatic. It isn't a good time for the unions. Yes, they've been on the decline for years, but it seems to have accelerated greatly.
I also agree that we are a blue collar job with white collar wages. We want to think of ourselves in a different light, but we work a trade.
I don't pay much attention to any particular news source, but it is obvious that those of us in unions aren't garnering a lot of national sympathy. However, in Wisconsin, the situation has turned into such a mess that the governors job approval rating is going down fast.
I'll just say this, I tend to vote more republican than democrat, but the republican party is no friend to labor. I tend to lean conservative for most things, but I know they are less likely to support our union. I don't think that is really a surprise to any of us, is it?
03-09-2011, 05:54 PM
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In fact no party is a friend to labor, I challenge you to produce any evidence at all to the contrary based on factual history.
We are on the cusp of change in much of the world, but it is a change driven by harsh reality and not misplaced idealism.
Unions had their day when people worked six days a week to scrape by, times change and the struggle we face now is how to support a third of the population on the backs of the workforce. A workforce that is mostly non-union.
Strike one good blow against what I have said here and I will call you Master.
In fact no party is a friend to labor, I challenge you to produce any evidence at all to the contrary based on factual history.
We are on the cusp of change in much of the world, but it is a change driven by harsh reality and not misplaced idealism.
Unions had their day when people worked six days a week to scrape by, times change and the struggle we face now is how to support a third of the population on the backs of the workforce. A workforce that is mostly non-union.
Strike one good blow against what I have said here and I will call you Master.
