FedEx TA and Right to Work changes
03-08-2011, 06:13 PM
#21
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Truthfully, I turn the channel whenever no one is looking.
Before the mods wake up and lock this one up, let me tell y'all a joke I read recently:
A CEO, a worker, and a union boss were at a table with twelve cookies on a plate.
The CEO ate up eleven of them. As he got up to leave, he looked at the worker and said, "Better watch that union boss, boy, he's gonna want all of your cookie....."
03-08-2011, 06:57 PM
#22
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Stop calling me "Normie". I don't know where you get that moron-
03-08-2011, 06:58 PM
#23
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You guys dont have to sneak around, if no one is watching I think it is OK to turn the channel. But I guess if it makes you feel better to think you are stickin it to the man.
03-08-2011, 07:01 PM
#24
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jungle,
I agree that unions are on the decline and have been for years.
However, it has become especially trendy to crush the unions. Look at what is going on in Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. They are union employees that work for the government, which in itself is a strange animal, but when you see governors trying to squash collective bargaining rights, it isn't a good thing (from a union perspective).
People have severe benefit envy these days. They see the union employees still hanging onto decent benefit packages (and a few still have retirements) and they lost theirs years ago.
I'd say it has been a dramatic increase in anti-union sentiment lately. Most of us are conservatives. From a business perspective it makes sense to pay people less money to do our jobs. We hold the company hostage by threatening to strike. I see their point, we artificially inflate our wages and benefit packages based on our ability to bargain collectively. I think many Americans see us as another example of "whats wrong with this country."
I agree that unions are on the decline and have been for years.
However, it has become especially trendy to crush the unions. Look at what is going on in Wisconsin, Ohio, etc. They are union employees that work for the government, which in itself is a strange animal, but when you see governors trying to squash collective bargaining rights, it isn't a good thing (from a union perspective).
People have severe benefit envy these days. They see the union employees still hanging onto decent benefit packages (and a few still have retirements) and they lost theirs years ago.
I'd say it has been a dramatic increase in anti-union sentiment lately. Most of us are conservatives. From a business perspective it makes sense to pay people less money to do our jobs. We hold the company hostage by threatening to strike. I see their point, we artificially inflate our wages and benefit packages based on our ability to bargain collectively. I think many Americans see us as another example of "whats wrong with this country."
What conclusion would we draw from this information?
First that politicos really have little influence with unions, and even if they did they chose not to use it, none of them have made major inroads with regard to preserving unions.
Second, while we have been arguing amongst ourselves over whose propaganda tastes better, much of what made America great has been quietly trundled out the back door leaving us with a staggering debt and very little to show for it.
What's coming after this, with roughly a third of the country dependent on handouts, is not going to end well for most of us.
Just look at this thread, it is largely composed of insults and nonsensical arguments with zero basis in fact. Not to diminish my fellow members, but that is largely how most of us have been trained to act.
03-08-2011, 07:06 PM
#25
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I just assumed you were Normie since he got banned about the time you arrived. I really dont know what your problem is but if you send me your email Ill be glad to give you a copy of my medical you mental midget.
I mean you ask me what trip I last flew, I tell you, you then say you've never been to Tulsa. What an idiot, what does where youve never been have to do with anything.
03-08-2011, 07:10 PM
#26
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You make some good points, but history shows with an undeniable clarity that unions have been greatly diminished over the years regardless of the political party in power.
What conclusion would we draw from this information?
First that politicos really have little influence, and even if they did they chose not to use it, none of them have made major inroads with regard to preserving unions.
Second, while we have been arguing amongst ourselves over whose propaganda tastes better, much of what made America great has been quietly trundled out the back door leaving us with a staggering debt and very little to show for it.
What's coming after this, with roughly a third of the country dependent on handouts, is not going to end well for most of us.
Just look at this thread, it is largely composed of insults and nonsensical arguments with zero basis in fact. Not to diminish my fellow members, but that is largely how most of us have been trained to act.
What conclusion would we draw from this information?
First that politicos really have little influence, and even if they did they chose not to use it, none of them have made major inroads with regard to preserving unions.
Second, while we have been arguing amongst ourselves over whose propaganda tastes better, much of what made America great has been quietly trundled out the back door leaving us with a staggering debt and very little to show for it.
What's coming after this, with roughly a third of the country dependent on handouts, is not going to end well for most of us.
Just look at this thread, it is largely composed of insults and nonsensical arguments with zero basis in fact. Not to diminish my fellow members, but that is largely how most of us have been trained to act.
03-08-2011, 07:18 PM
#27
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You are correct, the public sector has been the fastest growing component in this country for a very long time. Unfortunately it produces zero wealth, in fact it has greatly reduced funds available to the private sector for investment and growth.
03-08-2011, 08:14 PM
#28
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By Normie, do you mean the founder of the Pink Pistols?
03-08-2011, 09:22 PM
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"You are correct, the public sector has been the fastest growing component in this country for a very long time. Unfortunately it produces zero wealth, in fact it has greatly reduced funds available to the private sector for investment and growth"...Jungle
Teachers who educate pilots, doctors, CEOs, lawyers, etc produce zero wealth? Police and fireman who protect our lives and property produce zero wealth? Public workers who maintain our infrastructure and provide the services necessary to produce a productive business environment produce zero wealth? The FAA employees who regulate our industry and control the very air space we operate in produces zero wealth? I guarantee that each one of the above individuals are responsible for building more wealth in America they any of us could ever hope to do by moving boxes from point A to B.... and for a lot less money.
Teachers who educate pilots, doctors, CEOs, lawyers, etc produce zero wealth? Police and fireman who protect our lives and property produce zero wealth? Public workers who maintain our infrastructure and provide the services necessary to produce a productive business environment produce zero wealth? The FAA employees who regulate our industry and control the very air space we operate in produces zero wealth? I guarantee that each one of the above individuals are responsible for building more wealth in America they any of us could ever hope to do by moving boxes from point A to B.... and for a lot less money.
03-08-2011, 10:04 PM
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The point of the thread before we got hijacked on political ideology was to simply ask is it smart to agree to the current TA which will essentially push further negotiations 2 years down the line into a potential hostile political environment for collective bargaining, vs rejecting the TA and continue pushing for the issues that effect most of the crew force.
