FedEx TA poll Farce
#21
What is evident is that the company wants to get the new FDAs in place and they would prefer to do it with experienced pilots rather than new hires. Which they could do with no LOA.
#22
#23
Really? According to someone who was there for the negotiations, they(our NC) took the first offer. Quite the negotiations skill.
According to the chief pilot in HKG, the company was willing to go up to $4000 a month for housing. Again, he said it. Fact? I don't know.
Apparently you disagree that the current FDA LOA is woefully inadequate. You, BC, and DW. Brilliant!
You're probably right that it will pass. I hope not. Numerous issues could be addressed now. Issues which have no connection to the NPRM. A large number of pilots voiced their concerns that they did not want an FDA LOA without a contract. Yes, this TA technically meets those requirements. And if the minimum wasn't good enough, it wouldn't be the minimum. How bout shooting a little higher. Most folks aren't shootin for the moon, but let's aim a little higher than each others head.
"That's all I gots ta say bout that"
#24
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: AERO
Posts: 161
Not scientific at all, but had dinner last night with 7 other crewmembers. 6 No's, 1 Not Sure. Reasons ranged from not enough money, to the reserve sick time change, to the lack of a 4a2b remedy, and the paltry 1% bonus thingy. Seniority ranged from 5-25 years. No widebody guys.
I really think there are quite a few people running around saying they won't vote for it just to avoid being bitten by the rabid dogs.
#25
Really? According to someone who was there for the negotiations, they(our NC) took the first offer. Quite the negotiations skill.
According to the chief pilot in HKG, the company was willing to go up to $4000 a month for housing. Again, he said it. Fact? I don't know.
Apparently you disagree that the current FDA LOA is woefully inadequate. You, BC, and DW. Brilliant!
You're probably right that it will pass. I hope not. Numerous issues could be addressed now. Issues which have no connection to the NPRM. A large number of pilots voiced their concerns that they did not want an FDA LOA without a contract. Yes, this TA technically meets those requirements. And if the minimum wasn't good enough, it wouldn't be the minimum. How bout shooting a little higher. Most folks aren't shootin for the moon, but let's aim a little higher than each others head.
"That's all I gots ta say bout that"
According to the chief pilot in HKG, the company was willing to go up to $4000 a month for housing. Again, he said it. Fact? I don't know.
Apparently you disagree that the current FDA LOA is woefully inadequate. You, BC, and DW. Brilliant!
You're probably right that it will pass. I hope not. Numerous issues could be addressed now. Issues which have no connection to the NPRM. A large number of pilots voiced their concerns that they did not want an FDA LOA without a contract. Yes, this TA technically meets those requirements. And if the minimum wasn't good enough, it wouldn't be the minimum. How bout shooting a little higher. Most folks aren't shootin for the moon, but let's aim a little higher than each others head.
"That's all I gots ta say bout that"
You see that too. It technically is an FDA LOA with a few small bones thrown in. But to me, forget the bones; it is an FDA LOA. The effect is almost the same. The Company gets what they want and we dont get much. If it was a real TA, everything except the work rules would be on the table now. The Company, and or others are pretty whiley. Smoke and mirrors. IMO of course!
#26
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
I agree with the Original Poster. Wilson Polling is a farce, I mean did the MEC or the NC address any of the top 50 Wilson Poll Priorities? Where do they publish those results anyways? Oh he meant APC polling was a farce; never mind.
#27
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 556
If you think they gave up on them and have forever and have ignored us, I think that is wrong. Could they have put more in this deal? Well they said no. It really is a matter of, do you believe the NC and MEC that this is not your grandfather's TA?
If you feel the signing of this TA will delay our important goals, further that is, I would vote no. Pretty simple, but to think there is stuff on the table that was achievable now, is mythical, from the answers and communications i have read and seen. YMMV
#28
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Someone asked that at the roadshow i was at, the answer was to look at the openers (ALPA's) all those were generated from the various sources of input. ALPA has not given up on any of those goals is what was said.
If you think they gave up on them and have forever and have ignored us, I think that is wrong. Could they have put more in this deal? Well they said no. It really is a matter of, do you believe the NC and MEC that this is not your grandfather's TA?
If you feel the signing of this TA will delay our important goals, further that is, I would vote no. Pretty simple, but to think there is stuff on the table that was achievable now, is mythical, from the answers and communications i have read and seen. YMMV
If you think they gave up on them and have forever and have ignored us, I think that is wrong. Could they have put more in this deal? Well they said no. It really is a matter of, do you believe the NC and MEC that this is not your grandfather's TA?
If you feel the signing of this TA will delay our important goals, further that is, I would vote no. Pretty simple, but to think there is stuff on the table that was achievable now, is mythical, from the answers and communications i have read and seen. YMMV
#29
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 556
You are correct, section 18 does not mean much to us. Except the money to cover ALPA pilots work for the Company ,that does help our collective budgets. I do not see the lack of priority that you do, from explanations I have seen on how this TA was structured.
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