Chuck Turpen

Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - Nature Abhors A Vacuum - Proving True At The Allied PilotsAssociation

APA has been taking an uncompromising stand for almost 5 years.

Why aren't they in mediation? What makes anyone on this forum think we will get there any sooner?

Take some time to read this one but it sounds like the APA leadership might be learning some negotiating lessons from FedEx

Swelblog / Swelbar on Airlines - Articles - Nature Abhors A Vacuum - Proving True At The Allied PilotsAssociation

Times have changed, and fortunately our union is on top of what is happening in the industry and adjusting their strategy accordingly.

Chuck Turpen

APA Information Hotline - February 11, 2011

Here is the latest APA update after 5 years of negotiations.

Repolling and regrouping.

Is that where we want to be?

757upspilot

ALPA learned by kicking the can down the road for two years that once again the IPA pilots will do the heavy lifting on the contracts in the freight industry.
APA represents passenger pilots who have their own set of specific problems when trying to get a decent contract.

PurpleTail

I don't get it, what is your point posting info on AA pilot negotiations??? Meaningless in my opinion.

As I see it....

*** We are not a pax carrier and have different issues
*** We work for a company that is profitable
*** This TA is "Hybrid" extension to an existing contract

Ask yourself this...what is in the TA that you can NOT live without? I hope that a 3% bump is not your answer. If this absolute minimum TA passes, it will be 5 years before all the other non-financial issues get addressed. LET'S ADDRESS 4A2b, reserve system, deviation, etc to acceptable terms now, not later.

Gunter

Yeah, I learned the lesson long ago.


Don't carry Passengers


Now on to the next thread.

Chuck Turpen

I think you should talk to our Negotiating committe.

They made it very plain in the Feb 10th meeting that the NMB looks at what steps you have and are taking to try and settle your contract disputes.

As in AA's case just because you can't reach an agreement doesn't automatically get you into arbitration or into self help.

In my opinion we are better off taking the improvements offered in the TA. Benifits now and show the NMB we are serious in negotiating not just demanding.

In my opinion the alternative is to wait at least 5 years like AA with the status quo.

Sideshow Bob

Not this time...

We at IPA can talk about uniforms, hotels and catering for AT LEAST a year, and our scheduled raise in January 2012 will keep us warm. I think/hope that the rank and file at Fed Ex will follow the example of unity at IPA and band together, knowing that Fred needs them to keep "his baby" healthy and growing, hopefully not falling prey to the "with or without you" bluff.

At UPS, we are prisoner to The Davis Doctrine (our CEO for non-UPS types), which IMO dictates no growth in the airline, but to pawn off volume surges of Supply Chain Solutions and the ACMI's (who couldn't care less about our scope clause) to minimize growth via capital expenditure. UPS is a dividend machine, Fed Ex is a growing concern...plain and simple.

Fred perceives a far greater need for pilots and new airplanes than Davis does. The ONLY reason Davis will buy more planes/hire more pilots is if Fred takes away enough business to hurt the dividend/bottom line.

Give 'em hell fellas!

NightBusDriver

Rejecting this substandard TA also sends the message (to both the NMB and ALPA) that the FedEx pilot group is serious about ACTUALLY negotiating and not just accepting status quo for a paltry stipend.

My Negotiating Committee Speaks For Me ... WHEN They Finally Listen!

A300_Driver

If there are only "20 of us angry" APCers that are going to
vote against this thing, why are you so worried Chuck?

Chuck Turpen

Not worried

I can live with the current contract for the next five years. May have to work a few more years than I planned to.

I would like to see the company kick UPS's butt globally because my retirement is tied to the future success of the company.

In my opinion we need the FDA's now not in five years.