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Yay! Chuck for MEC chair.

The company is interested in shareholder returns. Every nickel that goes to a pilot is a hit on shareholder return.

The only thing a pilot will ever get is what they demand. Chuck, this retirement of which you speak will vaporize in a nanosecond if we as a group are concerned only with the company doing well. By definition, getting rid of your retirement, vacation, etc., goes hand in hand with "the company doing well".

We are all on the same team when it comes to moving freight on a day-to-day basis. We are on opposing teams when it comes to negotiations. I promise you that the company negotiator and his bosses do not view the pilots as teammates, but rather as adversaries to be beaten at all costs.

It's just business on the part of both sides.

PIPE

Chuck Turpen

I agree it is business. I would like to see all profits distributed to the pilots. And the company would like us to work for free.

That is why we are negotiating.

It is my opinion that a total contract is at best 3years away and if we take the same negotiating stance as the APA it will be closer to five.

In my opinion the TA is an acceptable bridge that gives us gains and will make it easier for the company to fill the FDAs.

I know they don't need the TA, they can do it under the current contract and probably have to back fill with newhires. Would they do it? In my opinion if the company thinks the world economy is going to continue to recover I think yes. Surely out of 12,000 aps they could find the pilots.

I know the company can't force a current pilot to go to a FDA. Does anyone know if the language precludes hiring to a FDA? I don't know.

A300_Driver

So you admit the FDA IS our biggest leverage in the current negotiations...

I think that's the point that most folks that are against the TA are pointing out.

By ratifying this thing we give up the FDA's for very little--not much pay, no fix for 4.A.2.B (just a little bit more of a BandAid), and a few safety improvements that are beneficial to us and the Company (read savings on the Company's insurance costs).

Not worth it to me!

MaydayMark

Does that mean you voted for the last FDA/LOA but didn't actually read it? You should give up line flying and apply for a TSA job!

Chuck Turpen

Read it. Just reread it.

Plesae help me out and post the section on new hires.

Thanks in advance

skypine27

It amazes me the rock some of our pilots live under. How long have you worked here?

They've already been doing it for years. I was, and many others I know were, hired into an FDA. It was called SFS.

And there is nothing in the previous FDA LOA or this new TA to prevent that.

TheBaron

I think that is kinda' the point. The company CAN hire into FDA's without the old LOA or any changes in the TA. Everyone's worried about giving up our leverage. Our great "negotiating leverage" is not all that great.

Busboy

CGN is NOT part of the old FDA LOA. If they want to open it without a new LOA, they would have to do it under current Sec. 06 of the CBA. Good luck with that!!

TheBaron

3-4 757's initially. 15-20 Captains and F/O's. I think they can fill it easier than you think, especially if they offer it as a new hire incentive.

MrSuupafly

I think the point The Baron was trying to make is that if the TA is voted down:

1. The company would put the MD11 in HKG (there's a LOA for that). There would be no problem filling the left seat and they'd hire into the right seat.

2. They'd use SIBA for CGN. The money they would save from not paying 4500+ pilots an additional 3% plus a 1% lump sum, not upping the housing allowance $1800 or paying for schools in HKG would more that pay for all those First class tickets to Europe.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone to vote yes, I just think that's the point the Baron was trying to make. If I'm wrong Baron, I apologize.