Chuck Turpen

The negotiations for this TA and future negotiations do not consider the money anyone thinks they lost during the past implementation of 4A2b. So any expectations anyone may have of recouping those funds are futile. So forget it!

Now remember how unfair some thought 4A2b was. The TA does not completely fix it but it does offer significant improvement. Are you paying attention to what is happening in the Middle East? If the intl economy doesn't continue to recover which rules of 4A2b would you like to under this summer?

So remember 4A2b.

Here is another thought. 4A2b will always be in the company's favor. Why? Because if it makes more economic sense to furlough than to keep everone on the property then they will furlough. We could get such good 4A2b language that furlough is actually cheaper for the company.

4A2b is a novel concept. The company keeps you on the property and pays you more than you work during a down turn in businees hoping they will be better positioned than other businesses when business improves. Any UPS guys still on the street?

Not every pilot was affected by 4A2b the same, the TA is a step in the right direction

So remember 4A2b and also know a furlough is a lot more painful.

drftddgr

isn't the 4a2b language in the TA the same as the language in the settlement. if so, we have that new language already as a done deal. there is no "old" 4a2b, just the "settled" 4a2b which i THINK is the same as in the TA.


please correct me if I'm wrong--really

Gunter

Have to agree. Always remember 4.A.2.b. when you bid.

If you're a widebody FO who holds carryover and thinking about bidding 757 CA at 100% you will probably lose a lot of pay next time. I can't even imagine trying to live in Germany as a junior 757 FO on 4.A.2.b. wages. Good luck with that. Don't think HKG would ever face it but who knows.

I'd really like to see ALPA sell a new 4.A.2.b. insurance product. (This is no joke)

Busboy

"Fear Mongering" is the title of Chapter 1 in the union busting manual, isn't it?

Using your line of thinking...By voting for this, we're exposing ourselves to a furlough, even more. As, opening these FDAs will reduce the number of pilots that FDX needs.

VOTE NO!! IF YOU VOTE YES, YOU MAY GET FURLOUGHED!!

4A2B

yes your are incorrect. Go to the ALPA Grievance page for verification, essentially the PSIT "settlement" has an expiration date of JAN 2012.

If nothing new is done, like this new settlement or ALPA decides to waste more of our Union dues to let an arbitrator decide that we lost 100% of the case, there will be no language to put any strings or limits on a future use after JAN 2012.

That is what I got from reading the documents and watching the video, best thing to do is not go on my word or anyone else s, ASK a formal question of your reps/officers etc!

pinseeker

The settlement expires in less than 11 months "this Settlement
Agreement shall expire on the first day of the January 2012 bid period, unless it is cancelled earlier under the terms of this paragraph." The TA makes it permanent.

4A beat me to it.

drftddgr

Thanks guys

Gunter

Some CAs show FOs pictures of their trophy wife, vacation home and private airplane. Guys like CT show'em 4.A.2.b. in the TA, find the 85% section and point out they're on the senior end of that number. That's what I'll remember about 4A2b.

FedElta

My brief experience at a legacy carrier has convinced me that any type of " no-furlough clause" is of little , to NO value , to the members. The company extracts concessions, or leverage with the wording.

In reality, a furlough is an expensive and risky procedure, especially for FedEx. 4A2b is a way for the members to underwrite the company's furlough expense, and eliminate the company's risk.

Many of my legacy brothers have educated me on the no-furlough clause ( 4A2b) and how little protection it actually offers. Seems there is always a Force Majeur in the language....hidden away.

Talk to your legacy buds about this issue as it pertains to the FedEx business model.....and yes, I'm an old ex-FDX guy, but I actually do have a dog in the fight.

Best to all,
BG

skeebo2

4a2b was ABUSED. period