Logging IRO Time?
02-12-2011, 07:14 AM
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Logging IRO Time?
Hey Peeps,
Going to start doing IRO time. How is it logged? TT in aircraft? Time in seat only? Time making coffee & passing out the catering???
Also, I use APDL logbook. Are there any special considerations setting it up to log IRO time?
TIA, FAJ
Going to start doing IRO time. How is it logged? TT in aircraft? Time in seat only? Time making coffee & passing out the catering???
Also, I use APDL logbook. Are there any special considerations setting it up to log IRO time?
TIA, FAJ
02-12-2011, 09:45 AM
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It could be argued that you can log the total flight time, since your presence is required for the aircraft to block over 8 hours under the regs. Regardless of what you are doing during that time, your presence onboard is a requirement.
For practical purposes, and flight time calculations our company assigns each pilot with 2/3rds of the total flight time as their time on that leg. In most cases, this is fairly accurate.
It is your logbook. I keep a column for "crew time" so I know how much time was logged when I might not have been in the front seat.
I thought I was done logging time ... who knows anymore !
As long as you have a system and aren't using it to pad time, just be prepared to explain your logs if interview questions are in your future.
That info is worth what you paid for it ...
For practical purposes, and flight time calculations our company assigns each pilot with 2/3rds of the total flight time as their time on that leg. In most cases, this is fairly accurate.
It is your logbook. I keep a column for "crew time" so I know how much time was logged when I might not have been in the front seat.
I thought I was done logging time ... who knows anymore !
As long as you have a system and aren't using it to pad time, just be prepared to explain your logs if interview questions are in your future.
That info is worth what you paid for it ...
02-12-2011, 10:36 AM
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The only hitch becomes using that time towards consolidation, if it is an issue, in that case most carriers only allow either 2/3 (3 pilot crew) or 1/2 (4 pilot) of the block time to be used against consolidation.
As far as "total time" it should be the entire amount, YMMV
02-12-2011, 10:52 AM
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You don't mention what your background is or how much total flight time you have. My opinion (and it's worth what you paid for it) is I wouldn't want to have to explain ANYTHING on my application at ANY interview. If that's no longer an issue for you then why log more than the 2/3 anyway?
02-15-2011, 10:39 AM
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You don't mention what your background is or how much total flight time you have. My opinion (and it's worth what you paid for it) is I wouldn't want to have to explain ANYTHING on my application at ANY interview. If that's no longer an issue for you then why log more than the 2/3 anyway?
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02-15-2011, 03:09 PM
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^What he said.
Log it all as FO time, even sleeping. Don't draw attention to yourself by trying to log PIC time when your not. I sign for the airplane when I am in the left seat during cruise with time and initials in/out of the seat, but I still log it all as FO. If you are a required crew member, log it, as FO.
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Log it all as FO time, even sleeping. Don't draw attention to yourself by trying to log PIC time when your not. I sign for the airplane when I am in the left seat during cruise with time and initials in/out of the seat, but I still log it all as FO. If you are a required crew member, log it, as FO.
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02-15-2011, 09:50 PM
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I always logged the total flight time, no matter how much time I spent sleeping. Also, as stated above, if you aren't the actual PIC who signed for the A/C at departure, then log it all as FO time. Resist the temptation to log PIC time for those few hours the real captain is asleep and you're sitting in the left seat. That never makes sense in an interview: Why you have 50 hours as a 767 PIC when you never upgraded at your airline
But keep it simple and log the entire flight time.
Never even once heard of anyone doing anything different, and I've flown as the IO/RP/IRP/IRO (whatever your airline calls it) at 3 different US airlines.
But keep it simple and log the entire flight time.
Never even once heard of anyone doing anything different, and I've flown as the IO/RP/IRP/IRO (whatever your airline calls it) at 3 different US airlines.
10-29-2012, 12:36 PM
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The PIC logs the whole time, so should you, as a required member of the crew per the FAR's.
The only hitch becomes using that time towards consolidation, if it is an issue, in that case most carriers only allow either 2/3 (3 pilot crew) or 1/2 (4 pilot) of the block time to be used against consolidation.
As far as "total time" it should be the entire amount, YMMV
The only hitch becomes using that time towards consolidation, if it is an issue, in that case most carriers only allow either 2/3 (3 pilot crew) or 1/2 (4 pilot) of the block time to be used against consolidation.
As far as "total time" it should be the entire amount, YMMV
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