Logging IRO Time?
10-29-2012, 01:01 PM
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Log it all. You are a required crew member. Then further either log it all as FO or If you want log your IRP time under a separate heading....either way.....FO= TT or FO + IRP = TT.
As for the 8 hour comment just make a remark that if was a heavy or double crew, it will pass the sniff test.
In my case I fly a 3 person crew aircraft 121 Supp lets me spend up to 12 hours in the seat ...YEAH!!! oh.. and if its a part 91 ferry... well... you get the idea.
If I get paid for 11.5 hours... I log 11.5 hours....
As for the 8 hour comment just make a remark that if was a heavy or double crew, it will pass the sniff test.
In my case I fly a 3 person crew aircraft 121 Supp lets me spend up to 12 hours in the seat ...YEAH!!! oh.. and if its a part 91 ferry... well... you get the idea.
If I get paid for 11.5 hours... I log 11.5 hours....
10-29-2012, 01:17 PM
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Log all in the little red book.
Put all, 2/3,or 1/2, as appropriate, in the permanent logbook. For heavy/double-crew flights put the entire flight time in angle brackets in an unused (for that flight)
column, but never total it up.
FE time had its own column, but never figured in the TT, ME,Night, XC, etc. columns.
Put all, 2/3,or 1/2, as appropriate, in the permanent logbook. For heavy/double-crew flights put the entire flight time in angle brackets in an unused (for that flight)
column, but never total it up.
FE time had its own column, but never figured in the TT, ME,Night, XC, etc. columns.
10-30-2012, 03:29 PM
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(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. A person may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmember station in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by the aircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrument rating (if an instrument rating is required for the flight) for the aircraft being flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.
11-01-2012, 01:09 AM
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Is your name on the flight release for the entire flight? The PIC is PIC for the entire flight. Each crew member is required for the entire flight. Log the entire flight - block out to block in.
11-01-2012, 01:31 AM
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USN Three Pilot Crews
Speaking of P-3C's, I have 1800 hours in them but only 1200 pilot time. 600 is "Special Crew Time" when I was a pilot rated in the airplane sitting in the back. In essence, an IRO. USN P-3 crews divided flight time by three:
A 9 hour flight = 3 hours First Pilot Time, 3 hours Copilot Time, 3 hours Special Crew Time.
I have logged all of my Aircraft Commander time as PIC (even the time when I was sleeping in the back), but can't bring myself to include my Special Crew Time into Total and Multi-Engine columns....should I? My squadron required three pilots when flying more than 6 hours, so I was a required crew member.
11-01-2012, 05:10 AM
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How much of that time is chargeable against your 30/7 or 100/month limits? All of it right? You aren't falsifying your logbook by under-reporting your flight time are you?
Is your name on the flight release for the entire flight? The PIC is PIC for the entire flight. Each crew member is required for the entire flight. Log the entire flight - block out to block in.
Is your name on the flight release for the entire flight? The PIC is PIC for the entire flight. Each crew member is required for the entire flight. Log the entire flight - block out to block in.
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