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Old 12-19-2010, 11:02 PM
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Getting rid of the A Fund is a no-starter for closing this contract and I think the company knows it. However, they know we would sell our souls to keep it......like allow an increase in the retirement age to 65 with all the penalties for retiring early.....as a trade-off! I've often heard people say our vacation system is a hands off benefit for negotiations. I like it too! Everything is on the table if the company and union decide to talk about it. In the end, contract gains in one area are often offset by a loss in another area. Ask all those block 11 fellows about the last contract and what it meant for them.
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Old 12-20-2010, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by The Walrus
The one change that you Will probably see with the next contract is a raise in the max retirement cap, currently 260K. By raising the cap to say 300K, there is a bunch of pilots who previously thought that they had made their high five, that find out that they need 5 more years of high five in order to max out their retirement. Instant extra manning, and less payout of retirement to a bunch of guys who have worked themselves to death for their high five, twice.
I could be wrong on this, but I think the cap is set by the IRS limits, not by our contract.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:21 AM
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What is this nonsense about giving up anything? This company made money in all but one quarter during the worst economic conditions since the 1920's. That one quarter loss was due to some write-offs. We just posted a quarter billion dollar profit two days ago. 30% pay raise across the board and a 15% B fund is what I say.
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Old 12-20-2010, 03:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
I could be wrong on this, but I think the cap is set by the IRS limits, not by our contract.

I think you're right
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:24 AM
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Originally Posted by purpledog
What is this nonsense about giving up anything? This company made money in all but one quarter during the worst economic conditions since the 1920's. That one quarter loss was due to some write-offs. We just posted a quarter billion dollar profit two days ago. 30% pay raise across the board and a 15% B fund is what I say.
Finally, someone with some common sense. Well said sir. Thankfully I believe our current union leadership feels the same way (unlike the last guys).
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
Finally, someone with some common sense. Well said sir. Thankfully I believe our current union leadership feels the same way (unlike the last guys).

I'll let you know if I agree after they announce the LOA to the old contract while we negotiate a new contract.
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Old 12-20-2010, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
I think you're right
I think you're wrong! Again.
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:18 AM
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I think you're wrong! Again.
I'm guessing your meds are making you constipated again? Make sure to eat plenty of fiber and change your Depends regularly ... (no smileys).
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Old 12-20-2010, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by skypine27
Finally, someone with some common sense. Well said sir. Thankfully I believe our current union leadership feels the same way (unlike the last guys).
Agreed.

The previous guys didn't want to improve anything for the bottom 60-70%. Doing so would have (in their minds) risked pay raises and improvements for the best of the MD-11 bidpack and the coming 777.
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Originally Posted by Flyinhigh
I could be wrong on this, but I think the cap is set by the IRS limits, not by our contract.
My understanding is that the company can pay you as much as we negotiate for our retirement, but they would not get any tax write off for any amount above a 260K basis. So it becomes even more negative for the company to give us any A plan benefit above the 260K basis value.

Look at CEO pensions and you will likely find pensions much higher than a 260K basis, the company just has a higher tax burden when paying that.

This is how it was explained to me a number of years ago, so I could be in left field too.
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