What is up UPS?
11-19-2010, 01:13 PM
#31
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That being said, I don't know whether he is guilty or not. I'm just saying that it's perfectly acceptable to discuss the information that has been released without having to tip-toe around the "innocent until proven guilty" comments.
11-19-2010, 03:14 PM
#32
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Presumption of innocence is a legal right that we all are granted. It states that no person shall be considered guilty until finally convicted by a court. Unfortunately we have guys here who are ready to string him up by his short hairs, without really knowing the facts. That, in and of itself is sort of scary, don't you think. I for one would not want any of those guys sitting on a jury, judging me for some act that I might or might not have committed.
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11-19-2010, 04:23 PM
#34
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Presumption of innocence is a legal right that we all are granted. It states that no person shall be considered guilty until finally convicted by a court. Unfortunately we have guys here who are ready to string him up by his short hairs, without really knowing the facts. That, in and of itself is sort of scary, don't you think. I for one would not want any of those guys sitting on a jury, judging me for some act that I might or might not have committed.
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JJ
The government is required to presume him innocent. Even that has loopholes, otherwise how could you lock someone up prior to trial.
INNOCENCE, PRESUMPTION OF
The indictment or formal charge against any person is not evidence of guilt. Indeed, the person is presumed by the law to be innocent. The law does not require a person to prove his innocence or produce any evidence at all. The Government has the burden of proving a person guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and if it fails to do so the person is (so far as the law is concerned) not guilty.
Legal Definition of 'Innocence, Presumption Of'
11-19-2010, 04:36 PM
#36
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Probable cause
I imagine that law enforcement now has probable cause to search his computer, unlike the 19th highjacker (pre-9/11). If he is as clean as the wind driven snow, he can sleep well knowing that forensic analysis of his hard drive is doing the tedious work of testifying for him right now. He’s probably sleeping so well, in fact, that he is glad for the time off from work. What a diabolical way to get the holidays at home! The company will probably see through the rouse and consider it an illegal job action. I don’t recommend this method of bidding the holidays off. Good luck to his legal defense fund!
11-20-2010, 07:26 AM
#37
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But there is the possibility that he is a caring and concerned father and family man who thinks he's been corresponding with a youth who has been turning tricks on the street to escape a broken or abusive home life. And unless there was some specific language in their chats regarding specific acts and/or payment for same, that may well be what was intended.
11-20-2010, 07:43 AM
#38
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It's interesting to me that the only charge brought so far is "unlawful use of a computer." Kentucky, like most states, has pretty specific language dealing with attempts to entice children into sex acts using the computer or otherwise. That the state hasn't brought the charge tells me that something may be amiss in their allegations against this man.
Unlike many of you, I don't personally know the individual charged in this. He may well be a perv. But there is the possibility that he is a caring and concerned father and family man who thinks he's been corresponding with a youth who has been turning tricks on the street to escape a broken or abusive home life. And unless there was some specific language in their chats regarding specific acts and/or payment for same, that may well be what was intended.
Unlike many of you, I don't personally know the individual charged in this. He may well be a perv. But there is the possibility that he is a caring and concerned father and family man who thinks he's been corresponding with a youth who has been turning tricks on the street to escape a broken or abusive home life. And unless there was some specific language in their chats regarding specific acts and/or payment for same, that may well be what was intended.
11-20-2010, 09:32 AM
#39
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I have kids so I really hate these people that prey on kids.
With that said, I have known this individual for years and have always known him to be a great guy. Not just a good guy but a great guy. With that said, I hope that it turns out that this is some misunderstanding and that the police are just trying to "bag" a pilot that they lured in without actually getting him to agree to any acts. If that is the case, he could have been trying to help this individual out of a "bad situation" in life.
I for one would hate to be in this situation when in fact am actually not guilty of anything. Just wrong place at wrong time with a police force trying to arrest at all cost.
On the other hand, I have kids and if guilty he should get the max.
With that said, I have known this individual for years and have always known him to be a great guy. Not just a good guy but a great guy. With that said, I hope that it turns out that this is some misunderstanding and that the police are just trying to "bag" a pilot that they lured in without actually getting him to agree to any acts. If that is the case, he could have been trying to help this individual out of a "bad situation" in life.
I for one would hate to be in this situation when in fact am actually not guilty of anything. Just wrong place at wrong time with a police force trying to arrest at all cost.
On the other hand, I have kids and if guilty he should get the max.
11-20-2010, 09:48 AM
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