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12-29-2010, 04:12 AM
#131
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Fyi
Charged with 4 federal counts, with penalties ranging from 10 years to 30 years with 250K fine each and lifetime supervision after release - no probation/parole.
Typically, if there is no previous history, a plea deal (no trial) to the lowest charge and the other 3 dismissed.
The Government won't pursue the case unless they have a good chance of prevailing.
Looks like he bonded out of the State charges, but the Feds have him in custody. I read the cell texts (they are in the affidavit) - it's quite obvious what was going on - if you believe the Gov't evidence.
BTW - Federal records are publicly available (for a fee) on the Internet via PACER. Public Access to Court Electronic Records
Typically, if there is no previous history, a plea deal (no trial) to the lowest charge and the other 3 dismissed.
The Government won't pursue the case unless they have a good chance of prevailing.
Looks like he bonded out of the State charges, but the Feds have him in custody. I read the cell texts (they are in the affidavit) - it's quite obvious what was going on - if you believe the Gov't evidence.
BTW - Federal records are publicly available (for a fee) on the Internet via PACER. Public Access to Court Electronic Records
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12-29-2010, 07:19 AM
#132
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If you're talking about the cabbie who murdered that young man down in Louisana, it's a fait accompli...he's going away for life. It's interesting that the perps family has issued a public statement expressing their condolences to the victim's loved ones, and asking that they (the perps family) not be made to bear the burden of his crime.
If you're talking about the pilot who stands accused of trying to have sex with an underage young woman, I consider him more of an "opportunist" that a genuine perpetrator. I would think that losing a career, followed most likely by his home and family, would be punishment enough. But again, we're talking about Goober Country. It wasn't that long ago that a teacher could be run out of these parts for teaching Darwinism, or a black man hung for speaking to a white woman. So, I guess we'll see, eh?
JJ, though we may disagree on some matters, as parents we share a common bond. No parent "deserves" what you and your wife must be going through. Among the many contributors to this forum, I'm sure that I'm not alone in stating that you and yours will be in our thoughts this holiday season, and in the months to come. And yea, I mean that....
FWIW - I know a woman who was diagnosed with Pre-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (not sure if it's related) at age 19. At the time, it was a virtual death-sentence. She underwent what was at the time, a highly experimental course of treatment, and has been (regrettably, for me) disease-free for the 35 years since.
If you're talking about the pilot who stands accused of trying to have sex with an underage young woman, I consider him more of an "opportunist" that a genuine perpetrator. I would think that losing a career, followed most likely by his home and family, would be punishment enough. But again, we're talking about Goober Country. It wasn't that long ago that a teacher could be run out of these parts for teaching Darwinism, or a black man hung for speaking to a white woman. So, I guess we'll see, eh?
JJ, though we may disagree on some matters, as parents we share a common bond. No parent "deserves" what you and your wife must be going through. Among the many contributors to this forum, I'm sure that I'm not alone in stating that you and yours will be in our thoughts this holiday season, and in the months to come. And yea, I mean that....
FWIW - I know a woman who was diagnosed with Pre-Hodgkin's Lymphoma (not sure if it's related) at age 19. At the time, it was a virtual death-sentence. She underwent what was at the time, a highly experimental course of treatment, and has been (regrettably, for me) disease-free for the 35 years since.
So you denigrate "Goober Country" and everyone who lives in said "Gobber Country" as racists, blah blah blah... and defend a man who who has apparently made many admissions that he was soliciting a 14 year old for sex?
Strange days indeed.......
SD
12-29-2010, 09:01 AM
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12-29-2010, 05:59 PM
#136
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...and defend a man who who has apparently mademany admissions that he was soliciting a 14 year old for sex?
From what I can tell, police interviews basically fall into 2 categories;
1) Questioning - Where they try to develop a list of possible suspects.
2) Interrogation - Where they try to get one or more of the suspects to confess. This is usually done by raising the stress level in the subject to the point that their defenses break down. The problem is that by the time they do, the suspect is liable to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants him to say. The suspect does this not to relieve himself of guilt, but to relieve himself of stress.
During the Viet Nam war, several POW's (including one future Presidential candidate) "admitted" to war crimes while in captivity. I don't recall anybody taking their "admissions" seriously, then or now.
N9373M - Thanks for the info. I take it you're a lawyer? If so, feel free to add to this discussion. Most of us aren't (or decided to pursue flying rather than law) as is evident by the strange twists this discussion seems to take.
pilotmiketx - Yea, I did too. And do you know what happened to her because we "did it" while we were both underage? NOTHING! Not ONE damn thing! In fact, she has done rather well for herself, despite the fact that she was "defiled" at such an early age.
12-30-2010, 11:56 AM
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I don't put a whole lot of credence on "confessions" made prior to/without the advice of counsel, or under duress in any circumstances. There have been too many "confessions" that have been later shown to be completely false, or made as part of what the suspect thought was a plea deal. If you want more info, Google "false confessions." There's a lot out there on the subject.
From what I can tell, police interviews basically fall into 2 categories;
1) Questioning - Where they try to develop a list of possible suspects.
2) Interrogation - Where they try to get one or more of the suspects to confess. This is usually done by raising the stress level in the subject to the point that their defenses break down. The problem is that by the time they do, the suspect is liable to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants him to say. The suspect does this not to relieve himself of guilt, but to relieve himself of stress.
During the Viet Nam war, several POW's (including one future Presidential candidate) "admitted" to war crimes while in captivity. I don't recall anybody taking their "admissions" seriously, then or now.
From what I can tell, police interviews basically fall into 2 categories;
1) Questioning - Where they try to develop a list of possible suspects.
2) Interrogation - Where they try to get one or more of the suspects to confess. This is usually done by raising the stress level in the subject to the point that their defenses break down. The problem is that by the time they do, the suspect is liable to say whatever he thinks the interrogator wants him to say. The suspect does this not to relieve himself of guilt, but to relieve himself of stress.
During the Viet Nam war, several POW's (including one future Presidential candidate) "admitted" to war crimes while in captivity. I don't recall anybody taking their "admissions" seriously, then or now.
12-30-2010, 12:09 PM
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Not a lawyer, but the IT guy in what is essentially a law firm that handles nothing but Federal Criminal cases.
12-30-2010, 12:34 PM
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If you tell a POW you're going to kill him if he doesn't confess, he'll probably "confess."
If you tell a civilian you're going to throw him in prison and the other prisoners are going to kill him, he'll probably "confess" as well.
I'm curious...what guidance does the Marine Corps give their aviators about making coerced statements while in captivity?
N9373M - Well hell, that settles it! The IT guy always knows everything.
12-31-2010, 12:03 PM
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WD,
Give me a friggin Break!! You need to know when to step away from the keyboard. This guy deserves NO sympathy. How long has he been doing this? It seems clear he has been doing this for some time. Maybe it started overseas (where children have little to no protection from people that pay for sex) and he decided to venture into the domestic world. Probably not the first time he has made such a bold move.
Glad he got caught. One less pedophile on the street is a step in the right direction. Ever work with people that have been subjected to sexual abuse? Your worried about this guy who is an adult. Made a decision! He seems to have made a confession to boot.
I think your priorities are totally up S creek and no paddle in sight. Go sell your morals somewhere else.
JUP
Give me a friggin Break!! You need to know when to step away from the keyboard. This guy deserves NO sympathy. How long has he been doing this? It seems clear he has been doing this for some time. Maybe it started overseas (where children have little to no protection from people that pay for sex) and he decided to venture into the domestic world. Probably not the first time he has made such a bold move.
Glad he got caught. One less pedophile on the street is a step in the right direction. Ever work with people that have been subjected to sexual abuse? Your worried about this guy who is an adult. Made a decision! He seems to have made a confession to boot.
I think your priorities are totally up S creek and no paddle in sight. Go sell your morals somewhere else.
JUP
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