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Old 11-05-2010, 01:04 AM
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Why just highlight the incident/FSR with a FCIF regarding the wearing of bling when you can spend good money modifiying a jet that you've been operating in both forms for decades!
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:46 AM
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I thought it was interesting how he managed to make the point that he had "big hands". Kind of sounded like he was trying to brag a bit, to me.
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Old 11-05-2010, 04:01 AM
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I bet that Early Alert had the MOCC Techs sniggering Would have loved to hear the telephone conversation to the lead in EWR(?) giving them the heads-up on that one.
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brad4est
I thought it was interesting how he managed to make the point that he had "big hands". Kind of sounded like he was trying to brag a bit, to me.
You know what they say, "big hands"........."big gloves"!!
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Old 11-05-2010, 05:32 AM
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It's kind of impossible for anyone with limited connections to get in the door. Yet, somehow we end up with close to a 50/50 mix in the last few waves (when 3 recs became the norm). So, obviously some of them have made enough connections and you're barking up the wrong tree.
I don't know when it became the practice, I only know it kept me from even being considered four years ago. As it was related to me, you had to have three internal recs who had actually flown with you, one of which would walk you in. The person doing the walking could only "shepherd" one person at a time. I had two, but not three, so I guess I'm just frustrated by that.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:21 PM
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And yet the hiring mix has been about 50/50 since I have been here. No data, just my read on the Jr guys.

My numbers may be off but saying it is impossible for a civilian to get in the door needs to be backed up with some evidence.
I don't think 'your read" is very accurate or verifiable. My very large new hire class (think large sample) was less than 20% civilian back in 2005. I can't believe other classes would swing in the opposite direction enough to skew the numbers to anything close to 50/50. I tend to hear this argument a lot from military guys attempting to downplay their advantage and gloss over the bias in the previous meet-n-greet system.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Brad4est
I thought it was interesting how he managed to make the point that he had "big hands". Kind of sounded like he was trying to brag a bit, to me.
Big hands...but maybe stubby little fingers.

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Old 11-05-2010, 12:43 PM
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I don't think 'your read" is very accurate or verifiable. My very large new hire class (think large sample) was less than 20% civilian back in 2005. I can't believe other classes would swing in the opposite direction enough to skew the numbers to anything close to 50/50. I tend to hear this argument a lot from military guys attempting to downplay their advantage and gloss over the bias in the previous meet-n-greet system.

Give us some facts on hiring data, I do not have the desire to research it. Sounds important to you so perhaps you have the desire. Regardless "nigh on impossible" is not an accurate statement. I would say 20% is a repudiation of the nigh on impossible for a civilian to get hired statement.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:00 PM
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The mix seems to me to be 80/20. I can fly a whole month with nothing but AFA graduates.

I was hired in 96 with three recs with one a flying rec.

Why people write up this stupid stuff is beyond me. I only write up which is required or that which I feel is unsafe and needs to be addressed. I think some of the guys do it just to be funny.
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Give us some facts on hiring data, I do not have the desire to research it. Sounds important to you so perhaps you have the desire. Regardless "nigh on impossible" is not an accurate statement. I would say 20% is a repudiation of the nigh on impossible for a civilian to get hired statement.
I agree that 20% is sufficient to show it's not impossible for a civilian to get hired, just a little more difficult. As far as hiring data...you are the one that posted the 50/50 statistic; I guessed you either researched it or pulled it out of your backside. I simply pointed out that I doubt that number is accurate.
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