Sluggo_63

There are plenty of examples of where a group of employees that work for an airline fall under the RLA, but another group that does not falls under the NLRA.

This is the same situation.

Your drivers will carry UPS Ground and Air packages all the same, so they do not work exclusively for the airline, ours do.

There is a legal test to see if a worker falls under the RLA. It's a two-prong test:
1. Does the employee group serve a function vital to the airline.
2. Does the airline own that subfunction

If these two tests are yes, than the group falls under the RLA.

For FedEx, the answer is (1) Yes and (2) Yes (FedEx EXPRESS [the AIRLINE] owns all the trucks and employs all the drivers)

For UPS, the answer is (1) Yes and (2) No (UPS is not an airline, they decided that only the planes and pilots are), the the drivers do not fall under the RLA.

It's that simple. If UPS want to break off a portion of its drivers and have them wholly owned by the airline side, then they, too would rightfully be able to organize under the RLA.

Zapata

How would UPS do that? Get their drivers to decertify the Teamsters? N

Clear all of the smoke and mirrors and ultimately, it is practically impossible for FDX drivers to be organized because they're under the RLA. Yes, double standard.

FDXLAG

So your position is UPS is screwed because of the teamsters so Fedex should be too?

How would UPS do it, form a seperate ground and airline shipping company. That is what Fred did to comply with the law. Are you a little slow this morning?

The pilots organized under the rla. The mechanics have voted out union representation several times. What do you mean impossible? You mean the Teamsters cant hoodwink them into turning over their retirement funds?

JustUnderPar

As usual. A thread like this goes no where fast.

Your viewpoint usually depends on who signs your paycheck. However the strong arm tactics at Brown are in most management playbooks. Other companies are just not as arrogant as the ones at Brown.

Leave this one to the politicians. We are all just "blue collar" workers in this debate.

Gunter

Misery loves company. Zapata has latched on to the "double standard" mantra to "prove" his point and push his agenda. He wants our company to be like his company because UPS management doesn't want his to be like ours.

My answer is become like us because I don't want to be like you. So there. Double, triple stamp.

I mean, really, who wants to be like UPS? You've become so institutionalized that you think your draconian, old school management is the best and it's model should be spread across the industry. Hogwash. I wouldn't wish that on my enemies.

This kind of stuff defines the history of human conflict.

livindadream

It's that way because Fred built it that way. He fully intended to build a structure that made it hard to unionize. He built a structure that meets the standards of one law and UPS built theirs to meet the standards of another.

Now, UPS wants what they built to match what FedEx built, but they have backed themselves into a corner. So, they want the rules changed to take away the advantage that FedEx has only because of the business model they chose. UPS could have done the same thing and didn't.... No Double Standard.

MD11Fr8Dog

You misspelled FedEx Express! FedEx is subject to both the RLA and NLRA. FedEx Express, a FedEx company, only to the RLA.

Carry on!

BTW - aren't the UPS pilots under the RLA? How'd that happen??

Night_Hawk

I do not think there is any employee of UPS that thinks our management is the best at anything. Except, maybe, mismanaging.