Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld

It was simply inhumane to let that pilot fend for himself in a communist police state. This is truly a low point at this airline.

Originally Posted by iarapilot

But you might get a discount with FX.....not sure though.

Originally Posted by highsky

These ACPs don't do Jack Squat!!!

Their job IS to support their guys in crises like this passport situation.

For Chrissakes', they're getting paid top wages; can't they figure out this simple concept? This is military officership 101 (not to dis the civy dudes).

How about some leadership?

Epic FAIL!

Originally Posted by Airbum

IMO the acp's did do their job, their job is to support the mgt side of UPS, cross picket lines if needed and provide a buffer if mgt policies cause service issues. The ACP's are not there for the line pilot.

Originally Posted by Archie Bunker

Hey slick, the pilot's passport was stolen from his "secure" hotel room. The passport was located in a locked bag (secured with a TSA approved lock), in a supposedly "secure" hotel, where we will be safe, and our belongings safe from pilferage. The pilot's action in securing his passport was more than reasonable and perfectly responsible when staying at some 5 star hotel with security personnel and cameras everywhere.

I don't know of any pilots that physically carry their passports with them when they go out on the town, because there is a chance you could misplace it, or you could get mugged, and have it taken from you. I guess we'll have to risk that now since our rooms are no longer secure. If we had a room safe (not always available), that would be our only other option.

Regardless, what the company should have done was help this pilot. Assist him with gateway personnel that speak English, that could accompany him to the Chinese police station, and immigration authorities. When you're not in Hong Kong, hardly anyone speaks English. How would you like to explain to Chinese authorities what exactly happened when you don't speak a word of Mandarin? The fact that our pilot was able to get out of there on his own in 9 days is a testament to his survival skills and his moxey.

I would love to stick some high ranking UPS manager in BFE, where nobody speaks English, take his passport, and tell him to find his own way back home. That would be comical to watch. He probably wouldn't even know how to make a phone call.

Nice going UPS...you've shown how much you value your employees...NOT.

Originally Posted by essayons

AUTHOR:Carl Schurz (1829–1906)QUOTATION:The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.” In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.

Gumbie and Soy: Can't help but think of your responses and then substitute country with company. "My company, right or wrong"

To the line pilots: hang in there, I was laid off up the road in CVG after 10 yrs. I even used my own product!

Originally Posted by Airbum

IMO the acp's did do their job, their job is to support the mgt side of UPS, cross picket lines if needed and provide a buffer if mgt policies cause service issues. The ACP's are not there for the line pilot.