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Old 09-01-2010, 02:31 PM
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...How many age 60-64 guys are at UPS right now? ...
Somewhere around 218
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Somewhere around 218
Actually, 202
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There is a reliable source! These guys are too afraid to show their cards to each other out of fear.
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Actually, 202
Then why not offer early retirement???? IPA and UPS split the cost of the package and reduce or hopefully eliminate the furlough?

Could you explain what card carrying FQS' would solve? The FQS would have protection but wouldn't that reak havoc on the seniority list? Wouldn't the seniority go by hire date? If more are to be furloughed then wouldn't it push more IPS guys that were not FQS' out the door?
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Then why not offer early retirement???? IPA and UPS split the cost of the package and reduce or hopefully eliminate the furlough?

Why not offer early retirement? Because it's cheaper to furlough and some (many?) guys end up staying anyway.

Go over to the FDX threads. Guys are staying because their VEBA (for healthcare expenses) doesn't cover 100% of their healthcare before turning 65. Flash a crisp new $1 in front of these folks and they'll sign up for another year of nights in the hub. "New" over 65 SOs are checking out every month too.

Our early retirement incentives have been a complete waste of money
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Originally Posted by Soyathink
What does the airline seniority system have to do with asking about age 60-65 guys? I could be 55 and just hired or 55 and hired in 1988.


I'm asking because I'm interested in the amout of potential retirees to furloughees.


How would that be stirring the pot?
I took your response to say "if your not happy just quit". Most of the over 60 crowd has very few employment options that would allow them to make up for lost income starting over at bottom of a list. That is why they stay. Something or nothing is really their option. Currently all over 60 folks at UPS have a A plan option so the nothing is not completely accurate.

Perhaps ups wants to keep the over 60 folks hoping the furloughed pilots never come back. This would solve their problem of disgruntled pilots holding grudge.

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Then why not offer early retirement???? IPA and UPS split the cost of the package and reduce or hopefully eliminate the furlough?
that would seem a lot like paying for your job if you ask me. UPS was unable to forecast for 6 months about the number of furloughs but they told us they had it nailed down for 5 years.

I can't imagine sitting down next to them and believing any number they give us on what our portion of the early retirement would cost.
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You might get busted again. Be careful.
Um, thanks for the advice, but I really don't give a crap. I cannot speak of CEOs in any other way.
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Perhaps ups wants to keep the over 60 folks hoping the furloughed pilots never come back. This would solve their problem of disgruntled pilots holding grudge.
You are aware that the most senior guys here are disgruntled for a myriad of other reasons?
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You are aware that the most senior guys here are disgruntled for a myriad of other reasons?
They are but what kills me is most have stayed beyond 60.
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