UPS Furlough (Part III)
08-29-2010, 01:25 PM
#171
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I was trying to indicate that it's not as beneficial as people think. 1000CH of domestic per Diem at UPS pays 300$ more than FedEx, but that's gross. And all I care about is the net. What makes it into my wallet.
And part of that net is taxes, as well as what is considered pensionable earnings.
Congrats, UPS wins hands down on per Diem.
And UPS will win NB v NB, but FedEx wins the WB v WB. Pay rate vs Pay rate FedEx is consistently higher.
and FedEx wins the Intl Ovrd.
All of which are pensionable earnings, a segment of which kicks into the B plan.
So, which would you prefer,
the extra $1.75 UPS pays on per Diem (Max Intl rate - the FedEx rate)
or the extra $2.50 FedEx pays on Intl Override
To continue on the total comp.
UPS wins on the B plan (12 vs 7)
but FedEx wins on the A plan (2 vs 1)
{Fingers crossed hoping both our companies keep making money and the A plans are still in existence in 30 yrs}
And part of that net is taxes, as well as what is considered pensionable earnings.
Congrats, UPS wins hands down on per Diem.
And UPS will win NB v NB, but FedEx wins the WB v WB. Pay rate vs Pay rate FedEx is consistently higher.
and FedEx wins the Intl Ovrd.
All of which are pensionable earnings, a segment of which kicks into the B plan.
So, which would you prefer,
the extra $1.75 UPS pays on per Diem (Max Intl rate - the FedEx rate)
or the extra $2.50 FedEx pays on Intl Override
To continue on the total comp.
UPS wins on the B plan (12 vs 7)
but FedEx wins on the A plan (2 vs 1)
{Fingers crossed hoping both our companies keep making money and the A plans are still in existence in 30 yrs}
Just kidding, of course. I'm not arguing with you about who gets more. I just thought it was odd that you even brought it up, and then discounted it due to taxes. More is more. I'd like the UPS "B plan", the FedEx A plan", UPS perdiem and FedEx override.
08-29-2010, 02:22 PM
#172
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It must be cheaper for the company to have FQS types fill trips than pay overtime. Much cheaper. That savings was greatly enhanced by furlough. Now the IPA is hot on the issue, as they should be. It's keeping food off an IPA'ers table.
The more I think about, newer FQS pilots are running a risk not signing the cards. They may have to interview for a newhire position after the next contract is signed.
Do you really trust SD not to give away some of the obviously useless FQS slots? If he thinks it will save $$ they will be gone...without warning.
I personally think he hasn't gotten rid of any FQS slots yet because he wants to let the IPA negotiate for some or all of them to be eliminated.
Last edited by Gunter; 08-29-2010 at 03:16 PM.
08-31-2010, 01:50 PM
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I am almost certain that the card thing is going to go in favor of IPA....there are too many mgt. pilots who are frustrated with the unresponsiveness of upper mgt. Its almost as if they are waiting to "stick it to them" and they realize they might finally have a chance.
08-31-2010, 05:58 PM
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So you're saying that it's not just the union pilots that have a "stick it to them" attitude, but now also the management pilots. That's got to be one hell of a place to call "home." Like I've said all along, the major difference between the two companies is the way in which each company's work force is looked at and treated. Sometimes it's not about the money. In fact, usually when it gets down to being "just about the money", there are other aspects of the job that are missing, thereby causing one to see the money as the only requirement of the job. At least that's what I've seen along the way.
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08-31-2010, 07:50 PM
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So you're saying that it's not just the union pilots that have a "stick it to them" attitude, but now also the management pilots. That's got to be one hell of a place to call "home." Like I've said all along, the major difference between the two companies is the way in which each company's work force is looked at and treated. Sometimes it's not about the money. In fact, usually when it gets down to being "just about the money", there are other aspects of the job that are missing, thereby causing one to see the money as the only requirement of the job. At least that's what I've seen along the way.
JJ
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08-31-2010, 10:00 PM
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Things are looking up boys and girls!
UPS execs, pilots and lawmakers meet over forced furloughs - ktuu.com
UPS execs, pilots and lawmakers meet over forced furloughs - ktuu.com
09-01-2010, 04:41 AM
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Gumbie,
So you actually think something is looking up, based on that article? If so, you're only kidding yourself. My initial thought when the freakin' politicians from Alaska started running their mouths about getting the facts of the furlough, was, hey buddy, it's absolutely, positively, none of your business. It's business, but of course they see it as politics. A very sad state of affairs. Both the furlough, and the fact that these politicians think that they should be able to have some control over this type of situation.
JJ
So you actually think something is looking up, based on that article? If so, you're only kidding yourself. My initial thought when the freakin' politicians from Alaska started running their mouths about getting the facts of the furlough, was, hey buddy, it's absolutely, positively, none of your business. It's business, but of course they see it as politics. A very sad state of affairs. Both the furlough, and the fact that these politicians think that they should be able to have some control over this type of situation.
JJ
09-01-2010, 05:00 AM
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09-01-2010, 05:50 AM
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Gumbie,
So you actually think something is looking up, based on that article? If so, you're only kidding yourself. My initial thought when the freakin' politicians from Alaska started running their mouths about getting the facts of the furlough, was, hey buddy, it's absolutely, positively, none of your business. It's business, but of course they see it as politics. A very sad state of affairs. Both the furlough, and the fact that these politicians think that they should be able to have some control over this type of situation.
JJ
So you actually think something is looking up, based on that article? If so, you're only kidding yourself. My initial thought when the freakin' politicians from Alaska started running their mouths about getting the facts of the furlough, was, hey buddy, it's absolutely, positively, none of your business. It's business, but of course they see it as politics. A very sad state of affairs. Both the furlough, and the fact that these politicians think that they should be able to have some control over this type of situation.
JJ
How many age 60-65 guys are at UPS right now? Do you think you will see more retirements at age 62 with SSI? If it is so bad why would they want to stay at UPS?
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