Busboy

Gumbie,

Archie is wrong. Don't try bringing back the Louis Vitton stuff. You're fine with the clubs, up to 2 sets, and the North Face gear, though.

JustUnderPar

I know you are not. Enjoy your pay and override in Anchorage while it lasts. It's not gonna last much longer.

I agree with Bus. Get two sets of clubs and go for the NorthFace. The quality is MUCH better than the other stuff.

I have gotten into trouble for doing grammar checks for you. Tony will get mad. So I wish you the best. Have fun flying the line. I know I did when I still had a job.

I don't think SDF is exotic......FWIW

SaltyDog

Gumbie,
You look to the outside world like an 18 year old getting their first job. <g>
AFlouisville, though retired, presents a better image. We all love being at UPS. The reality is not always peaches and cream though. It's OK to admit the challenges.
The MOU offered UPS a brilliant opportunity to work with the IPA and allow us to pay for the overstaffing. Instead, they walked away and burned to the ground any hope of keeping an intact FQS workforce. The IPA will not ever let it go like BM did forever.

How is the home life now that you are on the road all the time and being on call 24/7? Do they like you cancelling Dr's appointments, PTA meetings with the school? Dates with the wife? Missing soccer practice? Going fishing with the kids? Enjoy the disruptions in the personal life. They are your future as we see furloughs continue. No reductions were ever really made. UPS just finally figured out the reality of the market and service failures.

Buck92

You're mistaking this guy for someone who actually has family/friends who want to spend time with him. He's married to the company -- or the person he's pretending to be is, more accurately.

Archie Bunker

Maybe I should have put one of these at the end of my post.

aflouisville

Looking in from afar, I really do believe the IPA has a decent chance to succeed with the card thing>

say that again

That's the best way to view UPS. Congrats on getting out.

757upspilot

Looking forward to looking in from afar

Gunter

If the non-union pilots make more than line pilots I don't think you'll be able to organize them.

Rocco

It's not that easy.

If its all a matter of money, they do okay if you take the average IPA pilot that does not work any extra (that is they have a 75 hour line every 28 days). These guys(management) are all Captains. Work 20+ days per 28. They have NO work rules or restrictions except for the FAR limits.

That works okay if you take FO pay, but if you look at Captain pay. 14 days per month, plus vacation, plus sick, plus a decent contract. There is NO comparison IMO. Quality of life means a lot to me.

You could break it down farther than that. If you look at the "hourly rate" between a 5 year FO and what one of the newer (hired after 2001) FQS's makes, then the FO comes out ahead. I did not believe the numbers till I ran them myself. I have a couple of good friends that are FQS's. We talk often about these issues. They have lots of questions. I simply cannot answer them. I don't know if they have sent their cards in or not. The issue has come up before, but to be honest I have never asked them if they sent it in or not. It up to them.

When times were good management was probably not a bad spot to be in. Their compensation and benefits was pretty good. But with the furlough all that has changed. I don't think the FQS position will exist in 2 years(this is starting to worry more than a few). I have never seen a management group work like this. There seems to always be some sort of "secret". I have seen bad leadership. This ranks up near the top. This is just not how you treat employees. Of course there are some exceptions to this. I believe E.F is a good leader. I believe S.J. is a good leader. I also believe their hands are tied and there is little they can do.

UPS hired many new managers between 1997 - 2006. They almost doubled in size (because of what happened in 97 (and that is another issue)). They got a fair share of talented people as well. This was the only job that many were offered when UPS called. Management or nothing. Management at UPS is all they know. So for them they have no idea what it is like to be an IPA pilot. The ones that "crossed" over from the IPA to management went for their own reasons. Only they can answer that. I believe most of these guys are caught in a situation where they simply don't know who to believe. I can't say I don't blame them. Uncertainty is very unsettling. I will be furloughed this September 12 and I have to say it is very frustrating. One thing is for sure though. The FQS (or FQM as recently stated) job they are enjoying now, I believe will be gone in the next two years. In one shape or form. Business as usual is over. I believe the IPA has made that clear.

So I don't think its as simple as money.