FDX - The New and Improved Rumor Thread
07-27-2010, 03:20 PM
#21
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
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I will vote no, unless it is in the contract. The only leverage that we have is the FDA's and ULR work rules. If you give these up prior to contract negotiations, then we have lost all leverage. We will not see a new contract for several years. If we hold out now and negotiate these items with the contract, then the company has a reason to negotiate. Remember the last time. Our negotiating committee stated for 2 years that the company was not willing to negotiate. If these items are on the table, then they will be willing to talk. No LOA or 777 ULR without a contract.
07-27-2010, 03:30 PM
#22
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Airbus F/O
Posts: 78
How much draft did you fly last christmas
07-27-2010, 04:06 PM
#23
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Thread Starter
Joined APC: Oct 2008
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There is a time to thump your chest and there is a time to be rational.
This industry is FULL of scope calamities. I flew at an airline prior to FDX where the game of the day was pitting one company against another under the umbrella corp - AMR. I personally have been through 5 contracts including the ones here at FedEx and grandiose dreamers are in for an awakening. It is ALWAYS give and take. One item voters are sure to be disappointed. Why include the FDA process in the contract if we don't have to. I promise, if the company wasn't so hot and heavy to get a Euro/757 base up and running they most definitely would prefer to have the FDA talks IN section 6. More of the pie for that, less of the pie for other stuff.
A pre-section 6 agreement doesn't use ANY of our collective capital and it makes sense to me. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote however and I can not criticize your position, only explain mine.
As for the draft question, that is irrelevant to this thread...flame-bait and nothing more.
I most definitely trust JG and the folks sitting at the table for us. I trust that if this FDA/LOA comes to fruition prior to section 6, it is a good thing for us. They have my support. If you want to really send a message of "leverage", give them your support too.
Now, where's that '98 merlot I have been looking for?
This industry is FULL of scope calamities. I flew at an airline prior to FDX where the game of the day was pitting one company against another under the umbrella corp - AMR. I personally have been through 5 contracts including the ones here at FedEx and grandiose dreamers are in for an awakening. It is ALWAYS give and take. One item voters are sure to be disappointed. Why include the FDA process in the contract if we don't have to. I promise, if the company wasn't so hot and heavy to get a Euro/757 base up and running they most definitely would prefer to have the FDA talks IN section 6. More of the pie for that, less of the pie for other stuff.
A pre-section 6 agreement doesn't use ANY of our collective capital and it makes sense to me. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote however and I can not criticize your position, only explain mine.
As for the draft question, that is irrelevant to this thread...flame-bait and nothing more.
I most definitely trust JG and the folks sitting at the table for us. I trust that if this FDA/LOA comes to fruition prior to section 6, it is a good thing for us. They have my support. If you want to really send a message of "leverage", give them your support too.
Now, where's that '98 merlot I have been looking for?
07-27-2010, 04:10 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: 777 Captain in Training
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Hot off the press (crewbus)
Our negotiating committee has or is near a vastly improved FDA LOA
Highlights -
1. $4,000/month stipend
2. Dynamic US Dollar equalization based on what country you are in
3. Significant portion of schooling for children paid for
4. Most of what was good in the previous FDA/LOA
From what I heard it is a very good improvement. If this is true, kudos to our negotiating committee and kudos to the company for righting the inadequacies of the previous FDA LOA.
Our negotiating committee has or is near a vastly improved FDA LOA
Highlights -
1. $4,000/month stipend
2. Dynamic US Dollar equalization based on what country you are in
3. Significant portion of schooling for children paid for
4. Most of what was good in the previous FDA/LOA
From what I heard it is a very good improvement. If this is true, kudos to our negotiating committee and kudos to the company for righting the inadequacies of the previous FDA LOA.
07-27-2010, 04:18 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Socket Drawer
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There is a time to thump your chest and there is a time to be rational.
This industry is FULL of scope calamities. I flew at an airline prior to FDX where the game of the day was pitting one company against another under the umbrella corp - AMR. I personally have been through 5 contracts including the ones here at FedEx and grandiose dreamers are in for an awakening. It is ALWAYS give and take. One item voters are sure to be disappointed. Why include the FDA process in the contract if we don't have to. I promise, if the company wasn't so hot and heavy to get a Euro/757 base up and running they most definitely would prefer to have the FDA talks IN section 6. More of the pie for that, less of the pie for other stuff.
A pre-section 6 agreement doesn't use ANY of our collective capital and it makes sense to me. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote however and I can not criticize your position, only explain mine.
As for the draft question, that is irrelevant to this thread...flame-bait and nothing more.
I most definitely trust JG and the folks sitting at the table for us. I trust that if this FDA/LOA comes to fruition prior to section 6, it is a good thing for us. They have my support. If you want to really send a message of "leverage", give them your support too.
Now, where's that '98 merlot I have been looking for?
This industry is FULL of scope calamities. I flew at an airline prior to FDX where the game of the day was pitting one company against another under the umbrella corp - AMR. I personally have been through 5 contracts including the ones here at FedEx and grandiose dreamers are in for an awakening. It is ALWAYS give and take. One item voters are sure to be disappointed. Why include the FDA process in the contract if we don't have to. I promise, if the company wasn't so hot and heavy to get a Euro/757 base up and running they most definitely would prefer to have the FDA talks IN section 6. More of the pie for that, less of the pie for other stuff.
A pre-section 6 agreement doesn't use ANY of our collective capital and it makes sense to me. You are entitled to your opinion and your vote however and I can not criticize your position, only explain mine.
As for the draft question, that is irrelevant to this thread...flame-bait and nothing more.
I most definitely trust JG and the folks sitting at the table for us. I trust that if this FDA/LOA comes to fruition prior to section 6, it is a good thing for us. They have my support. If you want to really send a message of "leverage", give them your support too.
Now, where's that '98 merlot I have been looking for?
Just as a reminder, JG was the #2 in the Negotiating Comm last go around.
07-27-2010, 04:20 PM
#26
Proponent of Hysteria
Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: "Part of the problem." : JL
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That's funny.
Improvements over two years later and someone thinks entire base needs to be re bid. Riiiiight......
So I'm sure when the 777 gets a higher pay rate two years later, then that entire plane needs to be re bid as well.
Not going to happen.
07-27-2010, 04:21 PM
#27
done, gone skiing
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Couldn't disagree more. We have seen over the past 15 years stalled negotiations while inflation has eaten away the value of any raise as the company dithered and stalled. This was hardly unique to Fedex, all airlines have had this problem with the NMB as the laws with which its works have been subjugated. If Fedex really needs this improvement to get pilots to take a foreign posting, let them include it with the improvements we all need to better our lot, not just for those who bid or will in the future bid HKG or Europe.
07-27-2010, 04:27 PM
#28
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All for rationality, can you give me one reason for Fedex to negotiate any other section of the contract if we give them a new section 6 prior to openers?
Last edited by FDXLAG; 07-27-2010 at 05:15 PM.
07-27-2010, 04:36 PM
#29
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Position: 777 Captain in Training
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Fine, Then explain why we should enhance the package that was good enough for you to bid it? I agree with others to hold out and make it part of the next contract. To think the company will not say after the fact that inproving the LOA will have to come out of the contract pie is not remembering 4a2b.
