FDX Poolies
08-30-2010, 01:33 PM
#101
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
I guess that was pretty spun up, once again pinseeker is correct.
Ad hominem becomes you. Make sure you look for spelling mistakes. Dont address the substance: For example (contrary to your post) I think most of the new hires for Contract 201X 1st year pay will be less than 50% of (also pathetic) 2nd year pay. Unless we change the formula.
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08-30-2010, 02:19 PM
#102
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,813
I guess that was pretty spun up, once again pinseeker is correct.
Ad hominem becomes you. Make sure you look for spelling mistakes. Dont address the substance: For example (contrary to your post) I think most of the new hires for Contract 201X 1st year pay will be less than 50% of (also pathetic) 2nd year pay. Unless we change the formula.
Ad hominem becomes you. Make sure you look for spelling mistakes. Dont address the substance: For example (contrary to your post) I think most of the new hires for Contract 201X 1st year pay will be less than 50% of (also pathetic) 2nd year pay. Unless we change the formula.
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08-31-2010, 12:06 AM
#103
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Trunk Monkey
Posts: 562
I'm with FedElta
Put me in the camp that thinks the $2000/mo. until activation is a bush-league insult. Ranks right up there with the 500#/1000# FDA shipping allowance. Gotta be kidding me. Glad to see "Explore New-Hire Improvements" in our contract openers, but hope it actually gets beyond the "explore" word.
And to all the Poolies--Expect lots of retirements this Oct-Dec. (In a just-announced change, the union benefits folks are conducting group retirement briefings versus one-on-one.) Hang in there folks....Hope to see all y'all soon!
And to all the Poolies--Expect lots of retirements this Oct-Dec. (In a just-announced change, the union benefits folks are conducting group retirement briefings versus one-on-one.) Hang in there folks....Hope to see all y'all soon!
08-31-2010, 07:44 AM
#104
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Joined APC: Jul 2006
Position: B-777
Posts: 455
Put me in the camp that thinks the $2000/mo. until activation is a bush-league insult. Ranks right up there with the 500#/1000# FDA shipping allowance. Gotta be kidding me. Glad to see "Explore New-Hire Improvements" in our contract openers, but hope it actually gets beyond the "explore" word.
And to all the Poolies--Expect lots of retirements this Oct-Dec. (In a just-announced change, the union benefits folks are conducting group retirement briefings versus one-on-one.) Hang in there folks....Hope to see all y'all soon!
And to all the Poolies--Expect lots of retirements this Oct-Dec. (In a just-announced change, the union benefits folks are conducting group retirement briefings versus one-on-one.) Hang in there folks....Hope to see all y'all soon!
08-31-2010, 08:29 AM
#105
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 404
I wouldn't count on too many retirements. A lot of pilots that have 2 to 3 years until retirement attend these briefings to get an idea of what to expect. Remember last year when the rumor was 300 guys were going to retire when it turned out to be a lot less? The rumor was based on all these guys attending the retirement briefings.
There is also a lot of uncertainty about the new healthcare rules, Medicare costs, Tricare copays going up (for those who have Tricare), tax ramifications of health care expenses, etc. etc. I'll just hang on to age 65 and pay my $161 per month (nontaxable) to keep what I have and see what happens with the new contract and the health care system.
08-31-2010, 02:03 PM
#106
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,199
Guys we're talking "training pay" --- not "first year pay".
First year pay has gone up over the years as the pay tables have improved with each contract.
Training pay has not.
The $2000 you got per month on training pay is NOT the same $2000 per month those who came after you received.
Until deflation actually kicks in ---- it's less.
Less and less each year.
....less and less for 20+ years.
Let's fix it for good by eliminating a fixed rate training pay all together.
Just give new hires BLG x 1st year pay rate while in training.
Right now that would be 68 hrs x $59.39 per hour = $4,038.52 per 28-day bid-month
(Assuming 1st Narrow Body FO & SO rates)
Pretty simple --- straightfoward --- and fair.
...and now you can debate the merits of increasing first year hourly pay rates in the context of other contract increases --- but, at least the mechanism which has allowed initial pay to erode significantly will have been corrected.
First year pay has gone up over the years as the pay tables have improved with each contract.
Training pay has not.
The $2000 you got per month on training pay is NOT the same $2000 per month those who came after you received.
Until deflation actually kicks in ---- it's less.
Less and less each year.
....less and less for 20+ years.
Let's fix it for good by eliminating a fixed rate training pay all together.
Just give new hires BLG x 1st year pay rate while in training.
Right now that would be 68 hrs x $59.39 per hour = $4,038.52 per 28-day bid-month
(Assuming 1st Narrow Body FO & SO rates)
Pretty simple --- straightfoward --- and fair.
...and now you can debate the merits of increasing first year hourly pay rates in the context of other contract increases --- but, at least the mechanism which has allowed initial pay to erode significantly will have been corrected.
08-31-2010, 03:12 PM
#107
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 1,876
Let's say we start averaging hiring 200 pilots/year. If we increase training pay to $3000/month, we're only talking $600K increase to the current contract (assuming 3 months of initial training).
The scooby snack budget is higher than that.
The scooby snack budget is higher than that.
08-31-2010, 05:58 PM
#108
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: B757
Posts: 79
If they actually know how to use money wisely no credit card usage should be required. Dave Ramsey Homepage - daveramsey.com
I do agree it needs to be increased at some point.
Boo
I do agree it needs to be increased at some point.
Boo
I guess I will repost this without the part that was offensive to pinseeker.
My biggest concern with new hire pay is we force guys in their 30s to live off credit cards for a year and spend 4 years recovering. How do you recover at fedex? Fly 120 hours a month when ever possible of course.
Great lesson to teach the guys when they are new.
See it is my contention that we will help ourselves, the fedex pilot group, and all pilots everywhere by "raising the bar". While I realize the traditional ALPA meaning of raising the bar is to jack up the ceiling, I prefer to think of it as lifting the floor.
As far as how much it would cost us, simply ask the company if they still think we are overmanned. If they say yes then the projected cost is zero.
My biggest concern with new hire pay is we force guys in their 30s to live off credit cards for a year and spend 4 years recovering. How do you recover at fedex? Fly 120 hours a month when ever possible of course.
Great lesson to teach the guys when they are new.
See it is my contention that we will help ourselves, the fedex pilot group, and all pilots everywhere by "raising the bar". While I realize the traditional ALPA meaning of raising the bar is to jack up the ceiling, I prefer to think of it as lifting the floor.
As far as how much it would cost us, simply ask the company if they still think we are overmanned. If they say yes then the projected cost is zero.
09-01-2010, 04:37 AM
#109
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: B777 FO FDX, C130 ANG
Posts: 538
Good Idea
Guys we're talking "training pay" --- not "first year pay".
First year pay has gone up over the years as the pay tables have improved with each contract.
Training pay has not.
The $2000 you got per month on training pay is NOT the same $2000 per month those who came after you received.
Until deflation actually kicks in ---- it's less.
Less and less each year.
....less and less for 20+ years.
Let's fix it for good by eliminating a fixed rate training pay all together.
Just give new hires BLG x 1st year pay rate while in training.
Right now that would be 68 hrs x $59.39 per hour = $4,038.52 per 28-day bid-month
(Assuming 1st Narrow Body FO & SO rates)
Pretty simple --- straightfoward --- and fair.
...and now you can debate the merits of increasing first year hourly pay rates in the context of other contract increases --- but, at least the mechanism which has allowed initial pay to erode significantly will have been corrected.
First year pay has gone up over the years as the pay tables have improved with each contract.
Training pay has not.
The $2000 you got per month on training pay is NOT the same $2000 per month those who came after you received.
Until deflation actually kicks in ---- it's less.
Less and less each year.
....less and less for 20+ years.
Let's fix it for good by eliminating a fixed rate training pay all together.
Just give new hires BLG x 1st year pay rate while in training.
Right now that would be 68 hrs x $59.39 per hour = $4,038.52 per 28-day bid-month
(Assuming 1st Narrow Body FO & SO rates)
Pretty simple --- straightfoward --- and fair.
...and now you can debate the merits of increasing first year hourly pay rates in the context of other contract increases --- but, at least the mechanism which has allowed initial pay to erode significantly will have been corrected.
09-01-2010, 05:49 AM
#110
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD11 FO, ANC
Posts: 1,098
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