Excuse me while I vomit - UPS Furlough
05-27-2010, 11:46 PM
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[edit: remove insults/flamebait] The world economy has changed. The rest of the world does follow the US economy, but it is nothing like it's been over the last 20 years. China/India still have double digit growth rates and we have to import nearly everything. Supply chain mgt and just in time inventory is the business standard and the flow of goods from China will be on planes since sea takes too long. Our industry precipitates any quantifiable (sp) measure of the economy, which also means that we will benefit from the recovery before it happens.
I can't believe you used the F word. Have you seen how much open time is out there? We are picking up loads of JAs and OT. If the company issued a furlough JA and OT would stop or nearly stop and we would be 20% understaffed immediately. Enjoy the fact that you have the best Part 121 job out there. UPS is not an airline and won't furlough like the patheticly managed pax carriers. We all can complain all we want about the shortcomings of UPS management. But the fact remains is that we promote from within and UPS mgt has a sense of ownership unlike any other corporate culture out there. My point is they will not slash and burn and/or gut the company like the pax carriers have. I'll give you a month's pay if we furlough!
I can't believe you used the F word. Have you seen how much open time is out there? We are picking up loads of JAs and OT. If the company issued a furlough JA and OT would stop or nearly stop and we would be 20% understaffed immediately. Enjoy the fact that you have the best Part 121 job out there. UPS is not an airline and won't furlough like the patheticly managed pax carriers. We all can complain all we want about the shortcomings of UPS management. But the fact remains is that we promote from within and UPS mgt has a sense of ownership unlike any other corporate culture out there. My point is they will not slash and burn and/or gut the company like the pax carriers have. I'll give you a month's pay if we furlough!
Last edited by TonyWilliams; 05-28-2010 at 01:58 AM.
05-28-2010, 03:10 AM
#66
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05-28-2010, 04:05 AM
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A large part of this is that it was a three legged stool. Cindy's ideas would have worked well had the requested rig come with it. Our negotiating team wasn't able to seal that deal and the stool falls over. In fact, our schedules now have stool all over them
05-28-2010, 04:06 AM
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Two of the reasons that the MOU failed and was not agressively renewed were:
2. Paper savings vs. Actual savings
In ANC there was 99% participation for the MOU. Unfortunately with 99% of the ANC F/Os (bottom 300 essentially minus the DC8 F/Es) the company was unable to fly its' schedule. Thus they were JA-ing and asking pilots that were signed up for the RDG to bid full lines.
2. Paper savings vs. Actual savings
In ANC there was 99% participation for the MOU. Unfortunately with 99% of the ANC F/Os (bottom 300 essentially minus the DC8 F/Es) the company was unable to fly its' schedule. Thus they were JA-ing and asking pilots that were signed up for the RDG to bid full lines.
05-28-2010, 04:09 AM
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05-28-2010, 07:23 AM
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The issue is how they label it and the fuel surcharge. The fuel surcharge is higher on next day air packages because planes burn more fuel. UPS should call it next day express or something and charge the correct fuel charge depending whether it goes by air or ground.
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