Excuse me while I vomit - UPS Furlough
05-26-2010, 08:45 AM
#51
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OK, S, have it your way. The schedules written during the term of the BM contract were not consistent with the actual terms of the contract. If IPA had the BM contract in today's economic environment, everyone would be working four weeks, maximum duty days, with NO leg number limits or restrictions. TN was able to improve Article 13 (scheduling) for the first time in IPA history. No, it is not perfect, but it could have been much better if IPA had competent counsel writing the language or at least attempting to enforce what the union negotiated. If IPA did not have the current rules in Article 13, you (and every other IPA member) would be up the proverbial creek without a paddle.
Now, if your question is whether UPS is violating those rules, the answer is "Yes." In what way is that CD's fault or responsibility?
Now, if your question is whether UPS is violating those rules, the answer is "Yes." In what way is that CD's fault or responsibility?
05-26-2010, 08:49 AM
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If they give it a 2nd thought it'll be, "I guess they're downsizing due to economy, parking old 3 man aircraft and Age 65. Last 2 are for Air/Space Tech readers or maybe The Economist. This story didn't make Economist or NPR, or PBS. Sorry![/quote]
You are probably correct. Ninety days from now the public that absorbed it won't remember it. Lindsay Lohan will have another relapse. Most people don't even remember what happened in New Orleans.
05-26-2010, 10:30 AM
#53
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Have no idea who "S" is. TN was the poorest example of union leadership I have ever seen. He let CD run her own show and she got trampled by TC, her article needed her to get everything she wanted for it to work TC recognized that and kept the tidbits from getting in the contract. Looking at the old contract schedules and the current contract schedules , the current contract is a miserable failure. Like CD you are blaming someone else for the failure of the negotiator. As to violating the rules, everytime I check on something I find that it is compliance with the contract, I would love to find something to file a grievence about.
It seems to me that you have just conceded that the Article 13 provisions CD negotiated would have worked, if the language in the CBA had accurately reflected the provisions CD negotiated. Responsibility for that task lies with counsel, not with any member of IPA. So the negotiator wasn't the problem. It therefore seems to me that you are the one blaming the wrong person, and not me.
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05-26-2010, 11:07 AM
#54
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JS, [edit: removed comment] why don't you negotiate for us? Maybe then you could get the maternity and medical leave sections taken out in exchange for something else. 
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05-26-2010, 11:20 AM
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2000 furloughs were the original number of planned furloughs at American back in 2003. They topped at approx. 2900.
300 are the planned furloughs at UPS...will they be able to operate profitably with 450 on furlough ?
FF
05-26-2010, 01:05 PM
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Public and customers don't care. All they care about is package gets from A to B.
If they give it a 2nd thought it'll be, "I guess they're downsizing due to economy, parking old 3 man aircraft and Age 65. Last 2 are for Air/Space Tech readers or maybe The Economist. This story didn't make Economist or NPR, or PBS. Sorry!
If they give it a 2nd thought it'll be, "I guess they're downsizing due to economy, parking old 3 man aircraft and Age 65. Last 2 are for Air/Space Tech readers or maybe The Economist. This story didn't make Economist or NPR, or PBS. Sorry!
Did you know Lindsay Lohan wheres an ankle bracelet that monitors her alcohol consumption? Apparently it sends a signal once she reaches .02 at a cost of $1500.
I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
05-26-2010, 01:08 PM
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Let me make sure that I understand this. Your complaint is that what CD (an IPA member) negotiated would have worked, had not TC (outside counsel for IPA and an RLA specialist) kept certain necessary tidbits from getting into the CBA. Is it your contention that CD should have been responsible for drafting the language in the CBA? Do you understand the concept of "unauthorized practice of law"?
It seems to me that you have just conceded that the Article 13 provisions CD negotiated would have worked, if the language in the CBA had accurately reflected the provisions CD negotiated. Responsibility for that task lies with counsel, not with any member of IPA. So the negotiator wasn't the problem. It therefore seems to me that you are the one blaming the wrong person, and not me.
It seems to me that you have just conceded that the Article 13 provisions CD negotiated would have worked, if the language in the CBA had accurately reflected the provisions CD negotiated. Responsibility for that task lies with counsel, not with any member of IPA. So the negotiator wasn't the problem. It therefore seems to me that you are the one blaming the wrong person, and not me.
05-26-2010, 01:11 PM
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I'm sorry, what were we talking about?
[/quote]We should make sure that those ankle bracelets never become part of our uniform.
05-26-2010, 01:22 PM
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