UPS hiring restrictions
05-14-2010, 11:06 AM
#51
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2006
Position: UPS Captain
Posts: 837
As I've followed this thread I have noticed different stances regarding employement here at UPS. Predictably, in most cases, it seems you tend to feel one way or the other depending on where you sit regarding the furlough.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
It is hard to not be emotional about losing your job. Ask J.A..
I love my job. I want to keep my job. I think the way people are getting treated in Anchorage is something less than ideal. I have helped many families move their stuff. Help people sell things. Let people stay at my house because they no longer have (or can afford) a crashpad.......the list can go on.
Once you see this stuff it is hard to not get somewhat emotional. It is easy to set back and tell people how to feel (take the high road, part of the business, better than working in the ER
) when it does not affect you. But it affects everyone. How do you think the next contract is gonna go with people on the furlough list? Ever been accused of doing something here that you did not do? Ever try to talk to your ACP? The list could go on but I think you get my point.
05-14-2010, 12:03 PM
#52
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Brown Boeing Capt
Posts: 41
Please list a specific example of how UPS has treated you unfairly and "abused" you. Not buying your whiney bs does not make freightpuppy, me nor anyone else pro-management. It has taken the perfect storm of age 60 changing, aircraft retirements, and the worst economic conditions in 60 years for this furlough to occurr. It's not the fault of the IPA or UPS, it's just unfortunate timing.
You sir are the one being insulting. You are not owed anything by this company and your union brothers. Step back and take care of yourself and family as the blame game is futile.
You sir are the one being insulting. You are not owed anything by this company and your union brothers. Step back and take care of yourself and family as the blame game is futile.
I had never been directly lied to by a crew scheduler or a supervisor before I got here.
I had never been talked down to or reprimanded by anyone that wasn't a direct supervisor (not even by them) before I got here
It was never assumed that all employees were thieves before I got here
I had never heard of a manager breaking into a crew members hotel room before I got here
In the last 2 years the quality of life here has taken a nose dive. It sucks! (14+ hour duty days 5x a week all on the back side of the clock) Week on Week off my A$$
Some of us worked at real airlines pre 9/11. We know how good it was. We were treated like professionals in the military and at legacy carriers. I know things have changed there too but if it weren't for the money I'm guessing most of us would go back in a heart beat
I guess I was experienced but naive. The flying is mostly good, the money is very good, most of the people are great but UPS is what it is. We work for a big trucking company not an airline. Nothing more, nothing less. After 4 years it has never been more obvious.
Last edited by dfwdavi8r; 05-15-2010 at 07:45 AM.
05-14-2010, 12:38 PM
#53
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Joined APC: Apr 2005
Position: 757/767
Posts: 1,128
Just remember 5000 pilots strong by 2012 and upgrade in less than 4 yrs and this is the last job you'll ever have. If they can be so percise in predicting this then they can forecast up turn in the economy and future aircraft deliveries. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Ups is just a hillbilly with a lots of money in a small town.
then they can forecast up turn in the economy and future aircraft deliveries. PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Ups is just a hillbilly with a lots of money in a small town.
05-14-2010, 07:33 PM
#54
With The Resistance
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Burning the Agitprop of the Apparat
Posts: 6,191
It would blow to get furloughed and I'm not on the chopping block, but I don't need to be actually furloughed to see what can happen and plan for it. I have a nursing degree and if I lose this job, I'm fine (thank goodness). I know everyone is in the same boat and I feel for them. As far as what a company tells me....i could give a crap! I believe what I have seen. If they tell me this is the last job I will ever have...that would go in one ear and out the other. I choose not to let this place get to me. I go to work, fly the plane and go home to be with what is most important...my family. I would like to be around as long as possible for them. I'm not going to give myself a coronary worrying about stuff I can't control.
Your fortitude makes a lot of girly men look bad, I salute you.
05-14-2010, 07:34 PM
#55
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
[QUOTE=JustUnderPar;811437]
FP,
That is a bait and switch argument. What does the medical profession or anything else have to with OUR plight (and it involves everyone)? That red herring will get no where.
I am saying that the way people are treated here is not what I have ever experienced. Not something I am willing to accept. Neither should you. If you think it is okay to break into someone hotel room(how would you feel), go through someones bags, accuse you of stealing, telling you that you are getting furloughed and not have any further correspondence.....the list could go on and on.
I assume you have never had any issues here. Probably a good employee. I think I am too. You may change your tune once you are accused of something. It has happened to me in my short tenure here. The person that did so (ACP) lied. I had the proof. He is still working here. Said he heard something else. What ever!
I am not willing to throw up my arms and go look for another job. I love this job. The people before you and I worked very hard to make it the job you love. Lets keep it that way is all I am saying.
JUP
JUP,
No I would never say that breaking into a hotel room is ok! Don't worry, I've been accused of things and have been lied to at other employers. Our CP at the commuter would believe a ramper over his own pilots! Trust me, I've been on the receiving end of that crap sandwich. He tried to get me fired for months! I can tell you many many stories. I didn't sit there and go on and on about how that place was horrible. I moved on. What irritates me is that some people on here act like flipping burgers at McDonald's is better than working here.
What does the medical profession have to do with our "plight"? Once again, the people acting like this is the most horrible job on the planet, need to get in touch with reality and look at other jobs where you work your butt off for 1/10 of the pay we make. I don't know how else to put it...if you don't get what I'm saying I can't explain it anymore.
FP,
That is a bait and switch argument. What does the medical profession or anything else have to with OUR plight (and it involves everyone)? That red herring will get no where.
I am saying that the way people are treated here is not what I have ever experienced. Not something I am willing to accept. Neither should you. If you think it is okay to break into someone hotel room(how would you feel), go through someones bags, accuse you of stealing, telling you that you are getting furloughed and not have any further correspondence.....the list could go on and on.
I assume you have never had any issues here. Probably a good employee. I think I am too
. You may change your tune once you are accused of something. It has happened to me in my short tenure here. The person that did so (ACP) lied. I had the proof. He is still working here. Said he heard something else. What ever!I am not willing to throw up my arms and go look for another job. I love this job. The people before you and I worked very hard to make it the job you love. Lets keep it that way is all I am saying.
JUP
No I would never say that breaking into a hotel room is ok! Don't worry, I've been accused of things and have been lied to at other employers. Our CP at the commuter would believe a ramper over his own pilots! Trust me, I've been on the receiving end of that crap sandwich. He tried to get me fired for months! I can tell you many many stories. I didn't sit there and go on and on about how that place was horrible. I moved on. What irritates me is that some people on here act like flipping burgers at McDonald's is better than working here.
What does the medical profession have to do with our "plight"? Once again, the people acting like this is the most horrible job on the planet, need to get in touch with reality and look at other jobs where you work your butt off for 1/10 of the pay we make. I don't know how else to put it...if you don't get what I'm saying I can't explain it anymore.
05-14-2010, 07:38 PM
#56
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
This is where I get confused. So you came here for the money? Mistake #1. I learned that lesson (more money is not always worth it) when I was 19 years old! If it was all lollipops and unicorns why did you leave?
Last edited by Freightpuppy; 05-14-2010 at 07:50 PM.
05-15-2010, 05:53 AM
#58
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Posts: 3,931
As I've followed this thread I have noticed different stances regarding employement here at UPS. Predictably, in most cases, it seems you tend to feel one way or the other depending on where you sit regarding the furlough.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
I've been following this thread too. I have noticed those well above the furlough line, with their better schedule and security, like where they are and are happy to hunker down in the storm. That's understandable.
But what's unreasonable is for them to wonder why everyone can't be as satisfied as they are with the current reality. Some even tell people to quit if they don't like it and many think of their time to upgrade and progression as available to all.
Some call having seat in the game of musical chairs as having fortitude when it's actually just an inability or unwillingness to appreciate someone else's situation.
Like old school ALPA. Life is great for the senior as they enjoy spending hours telling the newbies about how all they have will be their's one day. Even though some know many newbies don't have a chance because upgrades are coming to a standstill.
Nice job. It's obvious not just management has disdain for the junior folks.
Last edited by Gunter; 05-15-2010 at 06:28 AM.
05-15-2010, 06:02 AM
#59
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: DC-8 756/767
Posts: 1,144
05-15-2010, 07:22 AM
#60
Freightmama!
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
Posts: 2,880
dis·dain (ds-dn)
tr.v. dis·dained, dis·dain·ing, dis·dains
1. To regard or treat with haughty contempt; despise. See Synonyms at despise.
2. To consider or reject as beneath oneself
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous ASSumptions I've ever read on here.
tr.v. dis·dained, dis·dain·ing, dis·dains
1. To regard or treat with haughty contempt; despise. See Synonyms at despise.
2. To consider or reject as beneath oneself
This has got to be one of the most ridiculous ASSumptions I've ever read on here.
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