UPS hiring restrictions
05-14-2010, 07:23 AM
#41
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I'm saying that anyone going on and on about how horrible it is here needs to go out and get a real job and find out what it really means to work for a living.
JDawg,
First off, I worked at a commuter and an LCC....UPS is 10000% better. I've also worked many other jobs and this is the best job (QOL and paywise...thanks to the IPA) I've ever had. As far as JetBlue.....it depends what you want to do. I wanted to avoid flying people at all costs and I am happy about my decision. I occasionally get peeved working here. The company culture is not great by any means but I fly my trip and go home. It would really suck to be in a situation where you left somewhere for what you thought would be greener pastures just to find out it sucks for you and you regret it.
JDawg,
First off, I worked at a commuter and an LCC....UPS is 10000% better. I've also worked many other jobs and this is the best job (QOL and paywise...thanks to the IPA) I've ever had. As far as JetBlue.....it depends what you want to do. I wanted to avoid flying people at all costs and I am happy about my decision. I occasionally get peeved working here. The company culture is not great by any means but I fly my trip and go home. It would really suck to be in a situation where you left somewhere for what you thought would be greener pastures just to find out it sucks for you and you regret it.
Its a great place to work M. I guess till it affects you. You got in fairly young. Most of the people getting furloughed left good jobs to come here. You are just starting a family. Many have families that are getting ripped up. People are selling all their belongings because its too expensive to move back and too expensive to put in storage. It's very sad to see it. I think you would rethink what you are saying in you came to ANC and spent some time here. Ever try to get a job with a furlough letter from UPS. NO ONE will hire you, unless you resign. Its like a bad game of poker, where the rules keep changing in the houses favor..........
05-14-2010, 07:40 AM
#42
Freightmama!
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Freightpuppy,
I'm wondering how you'd feel about your company if you were at the bottom of the list and facing an unknown, but possibly pronounced furlough. It's not my place to tell you that your company is not a great place to work, because you're hearing that from so many of your peers, and that certainly should count for something. As we all know, or should know, this business is governed partly by: luck (being offered the job); partly by timing (when in the wave were you hired); and partly by unknown circumstances in the future (Age 65, recession, contract negotiations, etc) So for someone who was lucky enough to get hired at the right time, as many of your senior folks were, their lives are so much different than those hired in the recent past. There's just no way around that. I've said many times before, you shouldn't (or in reality, can't truly) judge your decision to work at a certain place, until your career is over. Then and only then can you look back and determine if your decision to work there was a good one or not.
That said, UPS has always been a difficult place to work, and that goes for the very senior guys as well as everyone else. It's the corporate culture. Always has been. I remember my first day there, when the management guy came in and welcomed us as "the next generation of millionaires" and told us that "this was the last job you'd ever have to find." Then the next guy came in and told us what UPS would do to us if we were caught stealing from the cargo containers. Yeah, that was great. Welcome to your new home.
JJ
I'm wondering how you'd feel about your company if you were at the bottom of the list and facing an unknown, but possibly pronounced furlough. It's not my place to tell you that your company is not a great place to work, because you're hearing that from so many of your peers, and that certainly should count for something. As we all know, or should know, this business is governed partly by: luck (being offered the job); partly by timing (when in the wave were you hired); and partly by unknown circumstances in the future (Age 65, recession, contract negotiations, etc) So for someone who was lucky enough to get hired at the right time, as many of your senior folks were, their lives are so much different than those hired in the recent past. There's just no way around that. I've said many times before, you shouldn't (or in reality, can't truly) judge your decision to work at a certain place, until your career is over. Then and only then can you look back and determine if your decision to work there was a good one or not.
That said, UPS has always been a difficult place to work, and that goes for the very senior guys as well as everyone else. It's the corporate culture. Always has been. I remember my first day there, when the management guy came in and welcomed us as "the next generation of millionaires" and told us that "this was the last job you'd ever have to find." Then the next guy came in and told us what UPS would do to us if we were caught stealing from the cargo containers. Yeah, that was great. Welcome to your new home.
JJ
05-14-2010, 07:44 AM
#43
Freightmama!
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[QUOTE=JustUnderPar;811395]
Its a great place to work M. I guess till it affects you. QUOTE]
Please highlight where I stated this. thanks!
Try 12 hour night shifts at the ER in the ghetto where the charge nurse gets ****ed that you want to take a lunch break, then we'll see how you feel about UPS.
Its a great place to work M. I guess till it affects you. QUOTE]
Please highlight where I stated this. thanks!
Try 12 hour night shifts at the ER in the ghetto where the charge nurse gets ****ed that you want to take a lunch break, then we'll see how you feel about UPS.
05-14-2010, 08:07 AM
#44
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freightpuppy,
your posts are an insult to every pilot about to be furloughed. they are also an insult to every pilot not willing to take ups abuse. united parcel service must love you and how you tout that it is such a great place to work as they plan to furlough next week.
you're amazingly clueless about ups and the industry. please go away. seriously. you're not helping.
your posts are an insult to every pilot about to be furloughed. they are also an insult to every pilot not willing to take ups abuse. united parcel service must love you and how you tout that it is such a great place to work as they plan to furlough next week.
you're amazingly clueless about ups and the industry. please go away. seriously. you're not helping.
05-14-2010, 08:48 AM
#45
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freightpuppy,
your posts are an insult to every pilot about to be furloughed. they are also an insult to every pilot not willing to take ups abuse. united parcel service must love you and how you tout that it is such a great place to work as they plan to furlough next week.
you're amazingly clueless about ups and the industry. please go away. seriously. you're not helping.
your posts are an insult to every pilot about to be furloughed. they are also an insult to every pilot not willing to take ups abuse. united parcel service must love you and how you tout that it is such a great place to work as they plan to furlough next week.
you're amazingly clueless about ups and the industry. please go away. seriously. you're not helping.
Please list a specific example of how UPS has treated you unfairly and "abused" you. Not buying your whiney bs does not make freightpuppy, me nor anyone else pro-management. It has taken the perfect storm of age 60 changing, aircraft retirements, and the worst economic conditions in 60 years for this furlough to occurr. It's not the fault of the IPA or UPS, it's just unfortunate timing.
You sir are the one being insulting. You are not owed anything by this company and your union brothers. Step back and take care of yourself and family as the blame game is futile.
05-14-2010, 09:12 AM
#46
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If this job sucks so badly and if UPS really is so different and so awful compared to other airlines then I say quit.
I disagree with Jetjok's assertion that you should wait until retirement to pass judgment. I say that it is the journey that matters more so than the end.
) Often when those people give their final thoughts on their careers to the crew force, they mention this very subject. Most of those who were at DAL, AA, UAL, B6, WN, etc in the late 90's to mid-2000's time frame probably feel the same as well.
05-14-2010, 09:23 AM
#48
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Position: UPS Captain
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[QUOTE=Freightpuppy;811400]
Its a great place to work M. I guess till it affects you. QUOTE]
Please highlight where I stated this. thanks!
Try 12 hour night shifts at the ER in the ghetto where the charge nurse gets ****ed that you want to take a lunch break, then we'll see how you feel about UPS.
FP,
That is a bait and switch argument. What does the medical profession or anything else have to with OUR plight (and it involves everyone)? That red herring will get no where.
I am saying that the way people are treated here is not what I have ever experienced. Not something I am willing to accept. Neither should you. If you think it is okay to break into someone hotel room(how would you feel), go through someones bags, accuse you of stealing, telling you that you are getting furloughed and not have any further correspondence.....the list could go on and on.
I assume you have never had any issues here. Probably a good employee. I think I am too
. You may change your tune once you are accused of something. It has happened to me in my short tenure here. The person that did so (ACP) lied. I had the proof. He is still working here. Said he heard something else. What ever!
I am not willing to throw up my arms and go look for another job. I love this job. The people before you and I worked very hard to make it the job you love. Lets keep it that way is all I am saying.
JUP
Its a great place to work M. I guess till it affects you. QUOTE]
Please highlight where I stated this. thanks!
Try 12 hour night shifts at the ER in the ghetto where the charge nurse gets ****ed that you want to take a lunch break, then we'll see how you feel about UPS.
That is a bait and switch argument. What does the medical profession or anything else have to with OUR plight (and it involves everyone)? That red herring will get no where.
I am saying that the way people are treated here is not what I have ever experienced. Not something I am willing to accept. Neither should you. If you think it is okay to break into someone hotel room(how would you feel), go through someones bags, accuse you of stealing, telling you that you are getting furloughed and not have any further correspondence.....the list could go on and on.
I assume you have never had any issues here. Probably a good employee. I think I am too
. You may change your tune once you are accused of something. It has happened to me in my short tenure here. The person that did so (ACP) lied. I had the proof. He is still working here. Said he heard something else. What ever!I am not willing to throw up my arms and go look for another job. I love this job. The people before you and I worked very hard to make it the job you love. Lets keep it that way is all I am saying.
JUP
05-14-2010, 09:26 AM
#49
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05-14-2010, 10:51 AM
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As I've followed this thread I have noticed different stances regarding employement here at UPS. Predictably, in most cases, it seems you tend to feel one way or the other depending on where you sit regarding the furlough.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
Understandably, if the person is one of the 300 (especially those in the bottom 100) that person tends to have a very negative view of the company. This feeling appear to be brought on by the very emotional reaction of being furloughed. In large part subjective. Again, understandably so.
The freightpuppy types, like myself, were fortunate to be hired at the right time/place. In the end I think we realize that.
I also do acknowledge that from time to time UPS does bonehead things (furlough, lack of good will, etc). However, I would submit that the big picture stuff (profitability)they do well. Don't diminish the importance of this. Although the furlough completely blows and UPS dropped the ball on it, in the long run its far more important to focus on working at a thriving company. There is a big difference on the outcome of this furlough compared to the likes of EAL.
So the real question is not whether you fall under the likes of JUP or FP but whether its possible for UPS to be a good place to work? Unequivically, the answer has to be "yes", it is POSSIBLE. "Possible" being the operative word. As was mentioned before, it depends on when/where on the wave you were hired.
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