JustUnderPar

It wont be if you get furloughed. I like my job here too, but I feel like it is a game at this place.

We "need" to furlough? Really. What happened to the MOU?

30 777's. This is APC. Save that fantasy stuff for the B&G. There is NO mystery order of aircraft coming to this place. Not with the penny pinchers in charge right now.

They never replaced the 380, remember. What is our "next generation" long haul lifter? They will end up throwing huge money at this problem when the time comes. Guess who is gonna have 50+ 777's on property in the next 6-7 years? Its not UPS.

Sitting on lots of cash? 5.1 B is not chump change for sure. Something tells me Atlanta is gonna need every penny it can get soon.

Precontact

the "need" was sarcasm, obviously I don't believe that we need to furlough. The 30 777s was just to say that you never know what will happen here with regards to a/c orders - remember the 767 announcement?
Why do you think the company will need the $$$ soon?

JustUnderPar

You "need" to put one of those "smilies" when you want sarcasm

I agree we never know about aircraft orders. The truth is neither does management Seriously. That is what happened with the 767 order. Do you know how many 300's we had on order with the 380? Once that deal was canned, they had to replace those hulls. Boeing was the ONLY stop. Tried to sell them 777's then too. Got a great deal on 767's (with a retrofitted cockpit!)

When UPS see's a problem, they throw money at it to make it go away. That is all I am saying. Don't expect any big airplane orders to be announced till it starts hitting the bottom line here at Brown.

CactusCrew

Even better ...



Some of us did do crap labor like that to get to where we are. But to compare our job to roofing or lower our expectations ? Clueless ...

Freightpuppy

I'm saying that anyone going on and on about how horrible it is here needs to go out and get a real job and find out what it really means to work for a living.

JDawg,
First off, I worked at a commuter and an LCC....UPS is 10000% better. I've also worked many other jobs and this is the best job (QOL and paywise...thanks to the IPA) I've ever had. As far as JetBlue.....it depends what you want to do. I wanted to avoid flying people at all costs and I am happy about my decision. I occasionally get peeved working here. The company culture is not great by any means but I fly my trip and go home. It would really suck to be in a situation where you left somewhere for what you thought would be greener pastures just to find out it sucks for you and you regret it.

Jetjok

Freightpuppy,

I'm wondering how you'd feel about your company if you were at the bottom of the list and facing an unknown, but possibly pronounced furlough. It's not my place to tell you that your company is not a great place to work, because you're hearing that from so many of your peers, and that certainly should count for something. As we all know, or should know, this business is governed partly by: luck (being offered the job); partly by timing (when in the wave were you hired); and partly by unknown circumstances in the future (Age 65, recession, contract negotiations, etc) So for someone who was lucky enough to get hired at the right time, as many of your senior folks were, their lives are so much different than those hired in the recent past. There's just no way around that. I've said many times before, you shouldn't (or in reality, can't truly) judge your decision to work at a certain place, until your career is over. Then and only then can you look back and determine if your decision to work there was a good one or not.

That said, UPS has always been a difficult place to work, and that goes for the very senior guys as well as everyone else. It's the corporate culture. Always has been. I remember my first day there, when the management guy came in and welcomed us as "the next generation of millionaires" and told us that "this was the last job you'd ever have to find." Then the next guy came in and told us what UPS would do to us if we were caught stealing from the cargo containers. Yeah, that was great. Welcome to your new home.

JJ

Whistlin' Dan

That's going to be the case pretty much anywhere you go. The alternative would be to work for a company that condones employee theft, and I doubt you'd find any real job security in such an operation.

Overall, the only real metric for how well a company treats it's people is employee turnover. What percentage of UPS workers in ANY job category are leaving for similar positions at other companies?

FliFast

This is a pretty good summary of your bottom 300, hence the anomosity towards UPS.

FliFast

Agreed, I had a weak moment.

L'il J.Seinfeld

Jetjok,

The fact that you worked at UPS 20 years ago for a short period means little now. You don't know what you are posting about.

For the record, I've been treated great when it mattered at UPS. I've had 3 major family emergencies in 5 years and it wasn't an issue for UPS. In fact they bent over backwards to accomodate me without me even asking for a favor. I have the same complaints about scheduling manipulating the contract, but overall this has been a dream job. I respect the most junior guys' opinions, and I only speak for me when I say I've been treated well and actually like my job and working here. I find it shocking that JA posted what he did on the BnG. That sense of entitlement was staggering.

If this job sucks so badly and if UPS really is so different and so awful compared to other airlines then I say quit. I disagree with Jetjok's assertion that you should wait until retirement to pass judgment. I say that it is the journey that matters more so than the end.

I was never told by UPS managemt that this was the last job I'd ever have nor was I warned about stealing. From what I gather that was only done during the infancy of the airline in the lates 80s. Can you blame them though? The pilots were in the Teamsters then and many hired had some serious skeletons.