FDX Carryover?
05-18-2010, 05:50 AM
#131
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Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 689
Gunter, I agree. It's the large issues you stated but also small ones that irritate small segments. For instance, the FOs excessed out of ANC ended up with BAPO (best of all possible training order) and 4-5 weeks of 11FA pay after checking out in the Boeing SO seat instead of passover pay until Nov 2011 (the training date of those junior to us). While it may have been the "best of all possible" it would've been courteous to inform those affected BEFORE signing an agreement.
I have very, very little expectation of improving our lot, vis a vis the current contract, in this next round of negotiations. I still hold hope that my pessimism is unwarranted though.
I have very, very little expectation of improving our lot, vis a vis the current contract, in this next round of negotiations. I still hold hope that my pessimism is unwarranted though.
05-18-2010, 07:33 AM
#133
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
I'll try to answer these questions for Redeye, because I'm in that exact situation. A FedEx crewmember, not just a 727 S/O, can collect LTD until his or her 65th birthday. During the time they are on LTD, they are still accruing seniority and longevity (years of service). On their 65th birthday, they either must retire, or (I guess) they, having already spoken to the company, can train or re-train for the 727 back seat. For the record, I'm going to retire on my 65th birthday.
JJ
JJ
Thanks for asking that question about a guy, over 65, who goes out on LTD. I say thanks because it caused me to investigate and find out that I was (again) incorrect in my above comments.
According to the contract, a pilot going out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for 2 years and then 50% until he is 65 or retires or goes back to flying. During this time he accumulates longevity and seniority. However, a second officer who goes out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for the first 2 years and then 50% until he is either 65 or (as in my case, I went out at age 61 & 1/2) 5 years on LTD, whichever comes later, or he returns to the line. Again, during this time he accrues longevity and seniority. So, for me, I find that the contract allows me to stay until I'm 66 & 1/2, or exactly 5 years from the date that I started my LTD, which puts me here until September 27th, 2012.
This, for the most part, can be read in Section 27-J-3-b of the contract, which I've copied below:
3. LTD benefits payable to a pilot whose disability commences on
or after October 30, 2006 shall equal 60% of monthly earnings
for the first 24 months that a pilot is eligible to receive benefits
under the LTD plan. Thereafter:
a. Benefits payable to a captain or first officer who becomes
disabled and continues to have an occupational disability
through the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases
to be disabled, or (2) attains age 65 (or, if the Company no
longer employs second officers, regulated age), shall equal
50% of monthly earnings, as described in Section 27.J.5.
herein.
b. Benefits payable to a second officer (while the Company
employs second officers) who becomes disabled and
who continues to have an occupational disability through
the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases to
be disabled, or (2) the later of the date on which the pilot
attains age 65 or receives benefits under the LTD Plan for
5 years, shall equal 50% of monthly earnings, as described
in Section 27.J.5. herein.
Hope this helps.
JJ
05-18-2010, 09:21 AM
#134
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 357
The crewmembers who have a defeatist attitude are a product of several lost battles and now feel back tracking is the norm.
1) They got hosed by the "Best we could do because we don't give a flip" FDA LOA
2) They got hosed by 65 retro pushed by their own MEC Chair. The result was PC's "SO excess bid" to fill CA slots that didn't really exist and was soon followed by another excess bid that pushed them out of their seats into those previously filled by over 60 guys.
3) 4a2b was another swift kick in the jimmies.
Don't wonder why. Instead try to patiently explain why this time it's different and they aren't about to be taken to the woodshed again. Prepare well, you're going to need a compelling argument to succeed.
1) They got hosed by the "Best we could do because we don't give a flip" FDA LOA
2) They got hosed by 65 retro pushed by their own MEC Chair. The result was PC's "SO excess bid" to fill CA slots that didn't really exist and was soon followed by another excess bid that pushed them out of their seats into those previously filled by over 60 guys.
3) 4a2b was another swift kick in the jimmies.
Don't wonder why. Instead try to patiently explain why this time it's different and they aren't about to be taken to the woodshed again. Prepare well, you're going to need a compelling argument to succeed.
05-18-2010, 10:32 AM
#136
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: MD11 F/O
Posts: 129
I am pretty much committed to a NO vote no matter what. All I want to hear about is increases in hourly rate or B-plan. Every time we change something it gets worse or manipulated by the company. Set a new pay rate and draw a line in the sand! "F" hidden money and small trade-offs that become huge givebacks.
Of course, this is never going to be the direction the MEC chooses to go.
Of course, this is never going to be the direction the MEC chooses to go.
05-18-2010, 11:10 AM
#137
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Joined APC: May 2006
Position: MD-11 Capt
Posts: 915
I am pretty much committed to a NO vote no matter what. All I want to hear about is increases in hourly rate or B-plan. Every time we change something it gets worse or manipulated by the company. Set a new pay rate and draw a line in the sand! "F" hidden money and small trade-offs that become huge givebacks.
Of course, this is never going to be the direction the MEC chooses to go.
Of course, this is never going to be the direction the MEC chooses to go.
I will say that I like the negotiating team we have this time much better, they are in touch and all have years to live under the next contract and a few after that.
05-18-2010, 11:12 AM
#138
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Gear Monkey
Posts: 3,199
DLax85,
Thanks for asking that question about a guy, over 65, who goes out on LTD. I say thanks because it caused me to investigate and find out that I was (again) incorrect in my above comments.
According to the contract, a pilot going out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for 2 years and then 50% until he is 65 or retires or goes back to flying. During this time he accumulates longevity and seniority. However, a second officer who goes out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for the first 2 years and then 50% until he is either 65 or (as in my case, I went out at age 61 & 1/2) 5 years on LTD, whichever comes later, or he returns to the line. Again, during this time he accrues longevity and seniority. So, for me, I find that the contract allows me to stay until I'm 66 & 1/2, or exactly 5 years from the date that I started my LTD, which puts me here until September 27th, 2012.
This, for the most part, can be read in Section 27-J-3-b of the contract, which I've copied below:
3. LTD benefits payable to a pilot whose disability commences on
or after October 30, 2006 shall equal 60% of monthly earnings
for the first 24 months that a pilot is eligible to receive benefits
under the LTD plan. Thereafter:
a. Benefits payable to a captain or first officer who becomes
disabled and continues to have an occupational disability
through the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases
to be disabled, or (2) attains age 65 (or, if the Company no
longer employs second officers, regulated age), shall equal
50% of monthly earnings, as described in Section 27.J.5.
herein.
b. Benefits payable to a second officer (while the Company
employs second officers) who becomes disabled and
who continues to have an occupational disability through
the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases to
be disabled, or (2) the later of the date on which the pilot
attains age 65 or receives benefits under the LTD Plan for
5 years, shall equal 50% of monthly earnings, as described
in Section 27.J.5. herein.
Hope this helps.
JJ
Thanks for asking that question about a guy, over 65, who goes out on LTD. I say thanks because it caused me to investigate and find out that I was (again) incorrect in my above comments.
According to the contract, a pilot going out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for 2 years and then 50% until he is 65 or retires or goes back to flying. During this time he accumulates longevity and seniority. However, a second officer who goes out on LTD will continue to be paid 60% for the first 2 years and then 50% until he is either 65 or (as in my case, I went out at age 61 & 1/2) 5 years on LTD, whichever comes later, or he returns to the line. Again, during this time he accrues longevity and seniority. So, for me, I find that the contract allows me to stay until I'm 66 & 1/2, or exactly 5 years from the date that I started my LTD, which puts me here until September 27th, 2012.
This, for the most part, can be read in Section 27-J-3-b of the contract, which I've copied below:
3. LTD benefits payable to a pilot whose disability commences on
or after October 30, 2006 shall equal 60% of monthly earnings
for the first 24 months that a pilot is eligible to receive benefits
under the LTD plan. Thereafter:
a. Benefits payable to a captain or first officer who becomes
disabled and continues to have an occupational disability
through the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases
to be disabled, or (2) attains age 65 (or, if the Company no
longer employs second officers, regulated age), shall equal
50% of monthly earnings, as described in Section 27.J.5.
herein.
b. Benefits payable to a second officer (while the Company
employs second officers) who becomes disabled and
who continues to have an occupational disability through
the earlier of the date on which such pilot (1) ceases to
be disabled, or (2) the later of the date on which the pilot
attains age 65 or receives benefits under the LTD Plan for
5 years, shall equal 50% of monthly earnings, as described
in Section 27.J.5. herein.
Hope this helps.
JJ
Are you telling me that I inspired you to discover you can get another 1 1/2 yrs on LTD due to your heart condition...plus, more retirement/seniority benefits...???
Wow ---- I wonder what's the "finders / career coach fee" on that nugget of knowledge??
It's gotta be at least 10-20% of the xtra $$$ you'll collect.
PM me and I'll send you my account information for the direct deposit.
05-18-2010, 01:00 PM
#139
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Position: Retired
Posts: 3,717
JJ -
Are you telling me that I inspired you to discover you can get another 1 1/2 yrs on LTD due to your heart condition...plus, more retirement/seniority benefits...???
Wow ---- I wonder what's the "finders / career coach fee" on that nugget of knowledge??
It's gotta be at least 10-20% of the xtra $$$ you'll collect.
PM me and I'll send you my account information for the direct deposit.
Are you telling me that I inspired you to discover you can get another 1 1/2 yrs on LTD due to your heart condition...plus, more retirement/seniority benefits...???
Wow ---- I wonder what's the "finders / career coach fee" on that nugget of knowledge??
It's gotta be at least 10-20% of the xtra $$$ you'll collect.
PM me and I'll send you my account information for the direct deposit.
Yes, you did inspire me, so you will always be ok in my book. By the way, the only additional benefit I'll get is the extra 2% for one years' worth of longevity, at retirement. Interestingly enough, the LTD 50% pay is almost exactly what my retirement pay will be. So the 2% additional longevity, paid at retirement, minus the extra tax bracket it will put me in, earns me exactly $127 extra a month. So again, thanks.
Actually, I hope this information that we've uncovered helps others, or at least helps educate the uneducated, like myself.
JJ
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