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Old 04-09-2010, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld

I contend that in the history of Part 121 airline furloughs that there has never been a more highly qualified group. UPS was mandated by the FAA (albeit unofficially) to hire the best for ANC and that is exactly what they got.
This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.
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Originally Posted by Skymaster
This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.
You can laugh all you want, but what Seinfeld says is true.
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Old 04-09-2010, 04:22 AM
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Yes Skymaster, the FAA cannot dictate who UPS hires. What it can do is strongly urge UPS to send highly qualified crewmembers to ANC due to the nature of the flying out of the base.

In turn, UPS adjustred its hiring practices to require heavy international experience. That is a fact. Online applications without heavy international experience were given the "thanks, but no thanks" e-mail when the interview selection process became completely automated.

Its not funny that anyone with or without these credentials now face the prospect of unemployment ...
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Originally Posted by Skymaster
This is just pure laughable at best. The FAA never "mandated" (unofficial or official) any carriers hiring as long as it met FAR's.

Give me a break.
I had known our former POI DK, from before my days at UPS. After getting hired here, I talked him during the proving runs of the 747-400 about this very subject.

He said when ANC was opened as a crew base for UPS not many would bid it except for middle seniority F/Os in order to get the early upgrade. He felt that many of them had (I'm just the messenger) low PIC time in heavy jets flying to Asia. In addition, the new contract transformed the IRO position from a Capt-only position to a First Officer position.

Thus he approached UPS and recommended when hiring "right into the right seat" for the MD11 in ANC that they hire highly experienced pilots with PIC time in heavy jets and overwater experience or face the possibility of increased ramp/line checks.

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Its not funny that anyone with or without these credentials now face the prospect of unemployment ...
It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.
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It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.
Please explain.
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Please explain.
If my memory serves correctly, he's a DHL ********...and blames us for their actions apparently. (Not slamming the non-******** DHL dudes).
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Originally Posted by Skymaster
It's Karma rearing it's ugly head.
Skymaster,
Know you have an axe to grind, so be it. Remember many of us at Brown were mighty sympathetic at the time. Still have many of your colleagues and my friends that took the same hit as you.
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Originally Posted by Slice
If my memory serves correctly, he's a DHL ********...and blames us for their actions apparently. (Not slamming the non-******** DHL dudes).
Not blaming anyone, just stating a fact. Back 2 years ago when alot of the DHL pilots were going to be facing furlough due to the failed UPS/DHL deal MANY of your UPS pilot/posters here were saying "suck it up" and "hey, that's just how the airline world works", etc, etc.

Karma has a way of rearing it's ugly head.
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