767pilot

He asked if what he did in MIA would make any difference at all in what UPS does with regards to the furlough. I'd ask, did what he did as an individual in the Air Force make any difference to the Russians? What kind of a unit has a guy working on his own because he disagrees with the leader? I know it isn't the military, but there is a reason that they do it that way. It isn't what individuals do, it is what we all do. I'm not sure I buy the career earnings stuff either. Of course you boost them by flying now. Any of us could....but we don't!

Kibutznik

Seems to me that Roberto took a gamble bidding FO instead of CAPT. I bet he was hoping to cheri pick and pick up open time and hopefully make more as a (super) senior FO then as a junior CAPT up in ANC.
Unfortunately (for Roberto) this furlough screwed up his plans.
But Roberto wont let a silly OT/JA ban get in the way of his needs!
Justify it all you want Roberto, hope you sleep well at night knowing a majority of your co workers despise you!
Kibutznik

frozenboxhauler

Wonderin' how long before THIS one gets shut down too,...
fbh

Roberto

It is simple addition. Here it is again if you care to check.

The following is a snapshot of one of those in the bottom 300.

I have 5 children at home with the oldest one starting college next year. There are no airlines hiring in the USA. There is no airline job or any kind of flying job I can just go get. If there is, please let me know. It probably doesn't matter anyway as there would be thousands of other unemployed pilots applying for the same job. I have no skills to find a non-paying job. I live where the unemployment rate is the highest in the nation. My wife got a job flipping burgers at McDonalds to try to increase our savings account if UPS furloughs because I can't increase my income while on an RDG. I will literally have to follow her in working at McDonalds.

Are all furloughed in the same situation? Probably not. An age distribution of the bottom 300 shows that members range from 29 to 56 years of age. We have no data regarding an individual's financial situation or his opportunities while on furlough.

Within these 300 there are certainly a wide range of situations. For example, some members will have access to income and benefits from second jobs or spousal employment, some will have extended or significant military pay and benefits, and some will have family help or personal savings. Many of these will need no outside help to weather a furlough. A few may have very expensive lifestyles that could be eliminated. Moreover, the age and family situation of those furloughed varies widely. Some are very young with no family, while others are in the situation described above.

Let's take a closer look at the member's situation described above. The member is a 4th year FO and 39 years of age. For demonstration purposes, let's assume a 3-year furlough, 10 years thereafter as an FO and the final 12 years as CPT until age 65. (This would put the FO to CPT upgrade during the 14th year of service, or the 17th year if a 3-year furlough is added.) At current pay rates, total pay over next 25 years would be almost $ 4½ million plus over $ ½ million in B-plan payments. If you take the total compensation of over 5 million divided by 25 years (which includes a 3-year furlough), that comes to just over a $200,000 per year average. This amount is in current dollars, and does not take into account future increases. It also is a fairly conservative estimate of time to upgrade and the length of furlough. A less conservative estimate would yield better results.

767pilot

What I don't buy is why it matters at all what his career earnings versus your are. I don't think it does matter to anyone but you. pretty soon you'll be arguing that these guys are lucky that they are being furloughed. We have been asked to do what we can to help out. The rest of us are. I understand that you don't agree with leadership on their tactics, but time and time again we have learned that things work out better when we step in line and not go off as individual agents. Wasn't that lesson taught in the armed services?

Roberto

What you fail to grasp is that this is not about money. As I have said before, the previous bid period I put vacation and training on my trips and in the 8 weeks I was left with only one 2-day, 36-hour TAFB trip.

Are you for a reduced guarantee like FedEx? That will stop the furlough, and greatly reduce downgrades and forced moves to ANC. We would only lose some money, but have reduced schedules as an offsetting benefit.

golfandfly

Man, this guy can justify anything to himself. Who knows/cares what his career earnings might be? It was probably projected to be a lot higher a few months ago. What did you think yours was going to be? Probably a lot higher since they past age 65. My point is that, at this time, we have no idea how much money a furloughed guy will make in his career.

Justifying your incessant greed on someone's projected earnings is lame. I believe you were asked not to increase your line by more than 5 CH. Is this correct?

No one mentioned reduced guarantees. Where are you coming up with this stuff?

How is this not about the money? Did you donate your salary? Did you get paid for the trip? Would you have flown the trip for free? Please tell me tha you didn't increase your line by 30 hours just for fun. It was all about the money. Do think we are buying this spew?

Nice team work.

Freightpuppy

It seems very cut and dry to me. No excuses. Union suggests not line improving for more then 5 extra hours! There are some trips that would have made life easier for me that put me over 5 hours and I didn't do it because it's the right thing to do now. Hello!?!?!?!? Roberto, your excuses are LAME!

Roberto

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not think any of my replies to your posts can be correctly characterized as "excuses." I have not asked to be "excused" as that is not my intent. My replies are merely to correct the record of the posters who err in their facts.

767pilot

The fact is that you went to VCP to enhance your layover, and enhanced your paycheck when we have been asked not to do that. the rest has been a deflection of that fact which none of us understand or care about. Come back to the team!