FliFast

There are arguments on both sides of the fence about the bottom 170 being able to pickup OT/JAs. The company would have a harder time if no one picked up open time. However, the EB which we as a group elected in by majority has given the bottom 170 guidance to fly extra to pad their income in the event they lose their job. I for one would love to stick it to the company, but I see the EB's point that family and their welfare is the top priority for our bottom 170.

I am not in the bottom 170...but am a few numbers after them in the second group of furloughees.

With that being said, I will not pick up time nor trade to exceed 5 hours. This makes it more diificult to put trips back-to-back and has increased my commute from Florida to Alaska. This is what we have to do to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with our bottom 170 to show the company that furloughing during a time of econmic recovery and profitability is a long-lasting mistake.

Now, with that said. Since the lack of trip trading increases the number of commutes throughout the system for some of us..can we lower the number of P7s being bumped that are trying to get to work.

To be 64 years old and have 20+ years with ONE carrier, to be a Capt for most of your career, no mergers or furloughs is a dream come true.

Most had to retire at 60.

Some of us have been doing this 20 years and have worked for half-a-dozen carriers, which means half-a-dozen years at first year pay.

Some of us have been merged or acquired, and have lost decades of seniority and have been used as furlough fodder.

So to have a career as mentioned above, is a blessing.

FF

Luckydawg

I'm in the 170 group. I had mixed feelings about picking up JA/open time. I don't anymore. I stand with the rest of the IPA (except Bob) and won't pick it up. I gave up a lot in the MOU too, I'd love to make it up. I thought that was a great program and why UPS walked away from it is beyond me. I guess because they can.

Well they are going to go on without me this summer, they can handle going on without me now.

I wrote my EB about this. I wish they would encourage all to abstain. I know this is a tough one and anyone in the bottom 54, I wouldn't blame you. Beyond the 54 though? I say stick it to them, that's just me. There will always be a group at the bottom that are just about to be furloughed and can be used as a buffer.

Why anyone at the top would pick up open time is beyond me. They fought the good fight in 88+. There was little to risk and much to gain back then. I guess they (the minority like Bob) have a different view now that the table has turned and time isn't on their side.

GOCKY

Rumors are flying about of couple of Browns finest flight qualified women of aviation. Something about demotions? Anyone heard of something along this line?

767pilot

What do you think that they are going to do to fix it? Do you mean that they are going to ask the 170 to refrain too?

767pilot

Heard about one of them messing up some sort of a flap situation out west, and then the ensuing FAA checkride. A shame too, she is one of the good ones

Tigerpilot1995

It would easily be supported by the 170, with very little exception.

767pilot

Got ya.


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Xtwinbeechguy

I'm bottom 54 and I DON'T PICK UP OPEN TIME OR J/A's. I know its tight for everyone, but we have to stick to our guns and make it hurt as much as we can.
So for me I guess its literally back to the Beech. Anyone know of anyone needing a semi sharp Twin Beech Captain?

767pilot

yea, I was thinking that not many of the bottom guys seem to be. Removing their exemption would probably not make a difference in the flow of things

golfandfly

I found Roberto's excuses for picking up extra flying to be weak and self centered. If he wanted captains pay, he should have bid it. Using his logic, what if everyone flew 30 hours extra? How many pilots could UPS furlough then? It's always me, me, me, with some. Totally dispicable. Karma?