Gunter

You mean all those senior guys?

MaydayMark

I have mixed emotions on this subject ...

- Basically I'm in the camp of, "They bid the jet without a pay rate (including DW!), they should have known better, the h*ll with them"

- However, the logical side of my brain says, "If it pays more, the senior guys in my seat will bail out, and I'll be more senior in my seat (isn't this the ALL-ABOUT-ME forum?) AND anything that get pilots more pay is a good thing

- but I'd also be OK with a "Boeing" pay rate (727 - 757 - 777). I'd also be OK with a lower >25 years of service lower pay rate

Discuss ...

purpledog

The last time I checked the seniority list there were 4600ish pilots. You think in the future that we will have 4000 guys on the 777 and only 600 on the 75?Stupid smiley back at ya.

This place will never get better when we have guys only looking out for themselves.

Busdrivr

but I'd also be OK with a "Boeing" pay rate (727 - 757 - 777). I'd also be OK with a lower >25 years of service lower pay rate

Just curious Mark. How many years do you have with the company?

MaydayMark

Only because you asked BD ... I have 15 years with FedEx and when I retire at age 60 I will have only 23 years. I do not yet have ANY of my maximum "high 5". Because I've planned for the fortunate opportunity to be able to retire at age 60 (unlike some we all know), I look forward to that day as I have lots of hobbies.

I feel bad for the folks that have nothing better to do than hub-turn into VERY old age.


Mark

Magenta Line

"....hub turn into very old age."

and I need to add....

"and then die without using more than 2 years of your retirement."

R1200RT

What about the Boeing MD-11?

JethroFDX

Seems like narcissism was a hiring standard at one time and I freely admit I've met and flown with some real doozies. It's been a source of astonishment to me and quite of number of my peers. A culture change is defiantly in order.

My outlook has always been look out for the jr. guys, 'cuz then the senior guys will benefit from it!

MD11HOG

I had always hoped when the 200,000 employee number guys were captains, that we would see some leadership from the left seat and a shift in attitude. Now , when I look at the disputed pairings and see those guys listed, I pretty much have given up hope.

pipe

The hiring process has been broken for a long time. If the senior guys can't or won't "carry the water" in terms of contract enforcement, unity, selflesness etc., why would you expect it to ever change? The way we hire here, everyone else (with a very few exceptions) was sponsored by those same guys. If the apple fell far from the tree it would be a first.

We also have too many ex-military that are ingrained with a "complete the mission, do what the commander tells you, hack it" mentality. That mindset is constantly exploited by a management that is made up of "leaders" from the same background (who view themselves as the commanders). I don't care if you were Blue Angel One, Thunderbird lead, or a flag officer - you're enlisted as far as FDX management is concerned.

This isn't intended to start the usual mil vs. civ debate, these are just my observations as a guy who has both backgrounds and has worked at several majors prior to this one.

PIPE