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Old 03-27-2010, 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
And I hope we win the arbitration. If we lose I am willing to give up nothing to get us a new payrate for the 777. How about you?

Concur If we lose the arbitration it ends there.............that is until the Company wants to fly the 777 under ULR rules. Then we negotiate 777 ULR work rules.

Til then it is in the arbitrators hands.
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Old 03-27-2010, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Concur If we lose the arbitration it ends there.............that is until the Company wants to fly the 777 under ULR rules. Then we negotiate 777 ULR work rules.

Til then it is in the arbitrators hands.
I like the way you think. Good to read from ya Redeye, where ya been?
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
No problem, I guess it depends on whether you are talking contract 2006 or 2010. If the arbitrator rules the 777 is a widebody I guess we could trade the ulr rules for a 777 payrate. Personally I think trading it for a better 757 payrate or a fix to accepted fares or fresher coffee in the AOC would do more for the "crewforce" than rewarding those who bid it without a payrate would.

Actually wouldnt it be better to hold off on ULR rules until contract 2010 or 2011 or 2012 is resolved? What do you call it; leverage?
You have to remember that both sides must agree to a new contract. If we don't address ULR rules, IMHO, the company will not sign anything. We'll end up flying under the current rules until hell freezes over or the FAA forces work rule changes. You could be talking Contract 2015 or worse.
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You have to remember that both sides must agree to a new contract. If we don't address ULR rules, IMHO, the company will not sign anything. We'll end up flying under the current rules until hell freezes over or the FAA forces work rule changes. You could be talking Contract 2015 or worse.

I am confused, are you saying ULR rules are leverage? If yes I agree. As such, I would rather use the (potential) leverage to get contract 201X rather than fix contract 2006. And as I have said, my priorities for contract 201X do not include a 777 payrate. YMMV.
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Originally Posted by ictflyer23
It should never have been bid without a pay rate -- greedy people hurting themselves.
Could you explain that to our former MEC chair?
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If nobody had bid it, it would have been filled in reverse seniority order, and would still be flying, just by the most junior at the company.
I understand that. We should have forced their hand, then. The company went nuts over putting new-hires in a MD-11 in ANC. We should have seen if they had the guts to staff the left and right seat of the 777 with the most junior at the company. It would have been a big Mexican standoff and I think we would have prevailed.
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I wish I had gone to medical school, but that ship has sailed also.
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Obamacare will suck the fun out of being a doctor soon enough. Doctors are now posting on their chat rooms how they wish they had become Trash Hauling Pilots.
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I understand that. We should have forced their hand, then. The company went nuts over putting new-hires in a MD-11 in ANC. We should have seen if they had the guts to staff the left and right seat of the 777 with the most junior at the company. It would have been a big Mexican standoff and I think we would have prevailed.

My apologies to all our Mexican friends watching on this board. Sluggo...direct to sensitivity training for you!

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My apologies to all our Mexican friends watching on this board. Sluggo...direct to sensitivity training for you!

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