FDX 777 pay?
03-27-2010, 05:37 PM
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So all youse guys saying we need a triple 7 payrate; tell me why all your arguments wouldn't apply equally to the 757? It will be the ACFT more fedex pilots will log more hours in for the foreseeable future. IMHO.
03-27-2010, 05:41 PM
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If nobody had bid it, it would have been filled in reverse seniority order, and would still be flying, just by the most junior at the company.
Somebody tell us how United parked theirs until they got a rate. That's my favorite.
03-27-2010, 05:46 PM
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03-27-2010, 05:50 PM
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I'm a firm believer that we should get 380 rates for the aircraft that replaced it. We have already spent the negotiating capital for it. We have the leverage, in that they can't fly it ULR unless we agree. If the arbitrator comes back with "wide body" rate...We say fine...Pays like an Md-11?...Then, fly it like an Md-11. NO ULR!!!
It should pay A380. If the company wants to fly it domestic...They can work on that payrate in contract 2010. Many airlines pay a different rate for the same aircraft's different model. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
03-27-2010, 05:50 PM
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United had language in their contract that said "NO new Airframe can be put into service unless there is a negotiated payrate." If you read our Section 26K it says otherwise. I wish it didn't but it does.
The 757 and 737 were mentioned in this contract as paying naroow body rates if they were put into service.
The 777 isn't mentioned in our current contract so Section 26K applies.
According to the union and in speaking with a Block rep one night during a hub turn. We are already into the arbitration for the 777.
The arbitration will determine wheter or not the 777 is a Wide body or some new category if so a payrate will be decided by the arbitrator. Furthermore, according to the contract, if the arbitrator rules the 777 is a new category and a higher hourly rate applies it will be done so retroactively.
Sorry to enter facts into an APC discussion.
03-27-2010, 05:55 PM
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The Difference is and Unfortunately it is contractual.
United had language in their contract that said "NO new Airframe can be put into service unless there is a negotiated payrate." If you read our Section 26K it says otherwise. I wish it didn't but it does.
The 757 and 737 were mentioned in this contract as paying naroow body rates if they were put into service.
The 777 isn't mentioned in our current contract so Section 26K applies.
According to the union and in speaking with a Block rep one night during a hub turn. We are already into the arbitration for the 777.
The arbitration will determine wheter or not the 777 is a Wide body or some new category if so a payrate will be decided by the arbitrator. Furthermore, according to the contract, if the arbitrator rules the 777 is a new category and a higher hourly rate applies it will be done so retroactively.
Sorry to enter facts into an APC discussion.
United had language in their contract that said "NO new Airframe can be put into service unless there is a negotiated payrate." If you read our Section 26K it says otherwise. I wish it didn't but it does.
The 757 and 737 were mentioned in this contract as paying naroow body rates if they were put into service.
The 777 isn't mentioned in our current contract so Section 26K applies.
According to the union and in speaking with a Block rep one night during a hub turn. We are already into the arbitration for the 777.
The arbitration will determine wheter or not the 777 is a Wide body or some new category if so a payrate will be decided by the arbitrator. Furthermore, according to the contract, if the arbitrator rules the 777 is a new category and a higher hourly rate applies it will be done so retroactively.
Sorry to enter facts into an APC discussion.
03-27-2010, 06:04 PM
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This is correct. Our contract is much different than Delta, United, etc. when it comes to new aircraft.
I'm a firm believer that we should get 380 rates for the aircraft that replaced it. We have already spent the negotiating capital for it. We have the leverage, in that they can't fly it ULR unless we agree. If the arbitrator comes back with "wide body" rate...We say fine...Pays like an Md-11?...Then, fly it like an Md-11. NO ULR!!!
It should pay A380. If the company wants to fly it domestic...They can work on that payrate in contract 2010. Many airlines pay a different rate for the same aircraft's different model. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
I'm a firm believer that we should get 380 rates for the aircraft that replaced it. We have already spent the negotiating capital for it. We have the leverage, in that they can't fly it ULR unless we agree. If the arbitrator comes back with "wide body" rate...We say fine...Pays like an Md-11?...Then, fly it like an Md-11. NO ULR!!!
It should pay A380. If the company wants to fly it domestic...They can work on that payrate in contract 2010. Many airlines pay a different rate for the same aircraft's different model. We don't need to reinvent the wheel here.
The Difference is and Unfortunately it is contractual.
United had language in their contract that said "NO new Airframe can be put into service unless there is a negotiated payrate." If you read our Section 26K it says otherwise. I wish it didn't but it does.
The 757 and 737 were mentioned in this contract as paying naroow body rates if they were put into service.
The 777 isn't mentioned in our current contract so Section 26K applies.
According to the union and in speaking with a Block rep one night during a hub turn. We are already into the arbitration for the 777.
The arbitration will determine wheter or not the 777 is a Wide body or some new category if so a payrate will be decided by the arbitrator. Furthermore, according to the contract, if the arbitrator rules the 777 is a new category and a higher hourly rate applies it will be done so retroactively.
Sorry to enter facts into an APC discussion.
United had language in their contract that said "NO new Airframe can be put into service unless there is a negotiated payrate." If you read our Section 26K it says otherwise. I wish it didn't but it does.
The 757 and 737 were mentioned in this contract as paying naroow body rates if they were put into service.
The 777 isn't mentioned in our current contract so Section 26K applies.
According to the union and in speaking with a Block rep one night during a hub turn. We are already into the arbitration for the 777.
The arbitration will determine wheter or not the 777 is a Wide body or some new category if so a payrate will be decided by the arbitrator. Furthermore, according to the contract, if the arbitrator rules the 777 is a new category and a higher hourly rate applies it will be done so retroactively.
Sorry to enter facts into an APC discussion.
03-27-2010, 06:18 PM
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I am willing to give up something!!! I am willing to give up the A-380 ULR workrules to get a new payrate for the 777(the airplane that replaced it).
03-27-2010, 06:32 PM
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Actually wouldnt it be better to hold off on ULR rules until contract 2010 or 2011 or 2012 is resolved? What do you call it; leverage?
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