FDX 777 pay?
03-27-2010, 02:22 PM
#12
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The future is the 777! We could see up to 100 777s by 2020 when other carriers start dumping them for the 787s.
For us to just roll over for widebody pay because 5% of our workforce was greedy and bid the 777 with no pay rate is insane.
I think we should do everything we can for 380 payrates now and just make sure we don't give the greedy bastards retro pay when we do sign the contract.
That way, they are not being rewarded for being dumb asses and bidding the aircraft without a pay rate!
Seriously...we need this rate now or we won't see it for a long time!!!
For us to just roll over for widebody pay because 5% of our workforce was greedy and bid the 777 with no pay rate is insane.
I think we should do everything we can for 380 payrates now and just make sure we don't give the greedy bastards retro pay when we do sign the contract.
That way, they are not being rewarded for being dumb asses and bidding the aircraft without a pay rate!
Seriously...we need this rate now or we won't see it for a long time!!!
03-27-2010, 02:41 PM
#13
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Position: FDX MD-11
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Now you are applying logic and common sense to the equation. While I agree under normal circumstances, the 777 should have a higher pay rate than the other fleets. The fact that we had people tripping over themselves to bid an aircraft with no negotiated pay rate has completely changed my opinion. I will not support negotiating anything away for a bump in pay for the 777.
03-27-2010, 02:44 PM
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Is this thread about all the draft and high line averages in the 777? That's what those that bid it say.
They didn't care about the pay rate with all the bennies they knew were in store for them. Probably still don't care.
No retro. Not with this pilot group/good ole' boy network.
They didn't care about the pay rate with all the bennies they knew were in store for them. Probably still don't care.
No retro. Not with this pilot group/good ole' boy network.
Last edited by Gunter; 03-27-2010 at 03:13 PM.
03-27-2010, 03:25 PM
#15
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Position: A300 FO
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Big payrate increases across the board. The only exception is the 777.......it should wait 24 months to receive its raise in order to fund the raises on the other aircraft. Anyone who bids an airplane without a payrate obviously doesn't care what the rate is.
03-27-2010, 04:26 PM
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I'm a little confused. When we brought on the Airbus, and the MD11 and the MD10, why didn't we hear all of this about the people that bid it? Was there already a separate pay rate established by contract for these aircraft, or was it just assumed that they were wide body playing aircraft?
03-27-2010, 04:43 PM
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03-27-2010, 05:18 PM
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I'm a little confused. When we brought on the Airbus, and the MD11 and the MD10, why didn't we hear all of this about the people that bid it? Was there already a separate pay rate established by contract for these aircraft, or was it just assumed that they were wide body playing aircraft?
How much negotiating capital did we use up negotiating a payrate for the A380? What could we have gotten 'extra' in our contract if we just rolled over and said that the A380 could be paid at widebody rates?
So now we gave up something for 4 pages in the contract that we can just throw out. Then the company brings on the 777 and pays it at WB rates, and the only leverage we have to get the ULR payrates we negotiated for is for people to stand firm and not bid the 777... but they did, so essentially gave the company something for nothing.
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