767pilot

The poor operations are their own fault and a great deal of it comes from this culture of separate managers that they thrive on. Yes, they have total control at the top, but the "challenged" managers at the lower levels can't make the changes that they see the need for and end up burned out and iratated. It doesn't seem to take too long before the manager becomes just as frustrated as we do, only they are stuck in that funk for the rest of their careers. They throw up their hands and we end up in paralysis. Hard to just collect a check and leave the irratations of the job behind you as Freightpuppy suggests when you are on the hook 24/7 and have to be careful about which of your co workers it is safe to talk to.

There's a reason that the company has to go off campus to recruit managers. We've all passed on the opportunity for "promotion" already.

767pilot

Downgraded to FO and you'll still make more money than the senior captain at your buddies airlines, and twice what they make. Who'd of thought? You are 100% right about where you need to find your love. Never love anything that can't, or won't love you back

Naven

Your right. When I was a new hire I was jumpseating on the 747 and when I met the captain I found out he was hired the same time as me. He was a 747 captain and I was making $26,000 a year. I felt sorry for him, there is no way in hell I would ever do their job.

767pilot

Well, should you change your mind, they'll be sending you another offer next January

Waborita

Vito:

Care to elaborate on this statement as why you feel this way. I am not bashing you I just get real curious and a little hopefull when people make statements like this. Other than UPS using this furlough for yhe RIF bid which saves them on training and get the DC8 guys into the system. I just don't think that pays for what MOU I and II offered

I respectfully disagree mostly because the IPA's roadshows make me think 3 years is a realistic expectation for the bottom 170's furlough. Unless UPS announces some huge A/C order (which doesn't lead to parking more 757's) or a foreign domicile surprise sometime down the road.

Cheers!

Vito

Waborita,

First since I've been here (1995) we have gone through a few periods of high growth followed by a flattening, Prior to the growth spurts the managers had told us there would be no new hires this year? a few weeks later we started to hire over 200 guys, that was around 99 or so (don't quote me) then in 2003 they announced the furlough of 100, followed by no furlough , largely due to the start of the Iraq war and the activation of alot of pilots by the military. A year and a half later they started hiring again, which went on through 2004, 05 and 06. Same deal with when they announced that they didn't know what our new Jet purchase would be, then the next day they announced they bought 30 new 767's ! Point is we don't know what the world economy will do in the next year, it seems to be recovering. There are BILLIONS of Indians and Chinese who don't even have access to a computer, but one day soon they to will be buying stuff online, and we'll deliver it....and the last point and many will laugh is I don't think UPS likes the fact of a furlough, its an embarassment to many managers and old time managers..especially when their pilots are looking to fly for Foreign airlines...you may not think they really care, but I think its a black eye to them. Also FedEx seems to be growing while we're contracting, not good if your trying to impress Wall Street....None of this is scientific, just my gut.
But I'd be willing to bet you a dinner that I'm right and nobody will get furloughed for more than a year barring any worldwide catastrophe. We're also putting alot of pressure on them via the OT ban and the FQS integration initiative, it all adds up. The wild card is the new CEO and whether he wants to prove a point, but the tough guy act rarely works with the IPA.
Hope I'm right.

Waborita

Vito

Thanks for your response I hope for all 2817 IPA'ers it works out that way. Pkanning for the worst and hoping for the best.

Freightpuppy

Dude I wasn't talking about managers.

767pilot

I am !!!!!!!!!!