Union Cards sent to UPS Flt Qual MGRs??
03-14-2010, 09:31 AM
#171
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Now that is UPS leadership for you. Nice work UPsierra, we now know just how high your IQ is. F2, if UPS wanted extra business they could fly any number of military charters. You are not a manager because you merit it. You are there to subvert a unionized pilot group in the big picture. That is the basis to go after everything. Where else in the company do supervisors do hourly work? How does UPS justify going after Fed Ex when its own house is not in order? What other airline has our system? Management keeps saying that is the reason why we are so "safe". Really, a commuter or military pilot coming straight to the line as a check airman is safe? They have a couple hundred hours, checking pilots that have flown airplanes longer than they have been alive is safe? Where is the credibility in that? The truth is we are safe because no one here is willing to do anything unsafe just for the company's benefit. Your job as well as ours is much safer with the IPA.
03-14-2010, 09:51 AM
#172
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UPSierra-
You have obviously drank too much of the Brown Kool-Aid. I would imagine at the off campus secret meeting that all the "Knee-cappers" fed you all a line of BS that the IPA would screw you guys.
The integration by date of hire is what is being put on the table. You guys turn it down and I would imagine we will go after the jobs with no regard for the bodies, why not at that point?
You have obviously drank too much of the Brown Kool-Aid. I would imagine at the off campus secret meeting that all the "Knee-cappers" fed you all a line of BS that the IPA would screw you guys.
The integration by date of hire is what is being put on the table. You guys turn it down and I would imagine we will go after the jobs with no regard for the bodies, why not at that point?
03-14-2010, 10:06 AM
#173
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By definition...it will become "hostile" as the union will pursue the jobs if the pilots don't come willingly, but I hope that they do come willingly, because there is a tremendous amount of experience and insight with the company that these FQS can bring with them. I really wish we could have given them an above and beyond offer that will secure their place in the Union....ie. my previous post regarding spots 1-170. This will not only ensure they feel our sacrifice, but also our expectations from them to support the Union and their endeavors....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
03-14-2010, 10:29 AM
#175
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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Ah, the truth unveils itself. This is all about going after the jobs with no desire for the additional headcount. Does anyone actually believe the IPA is driven out of a concern for the management pilots? Believing the altruistic intentions of the IPA is truly what I would call "disfunctional" placement of trust.
Just think, if you can find enough gullible Sups to "trust" the IPA with their careers and get enough returned cards, that would be perfect. You put up a token fight for DOH integration, then staple them to the bottom. "Sorry guys - we tried. (Suckers! - snicker, snicker)" BT then saves 160 jobs for the bottom current membership and forces the company to furlough the management pilots. Very cleaver, yet very transparent.
I wish we could let a few disgruntled sups go back to the line. It would raise the average IQ of both groups.
Just think, if you can find enough gullible Sups to "trust" the IPA with their careers and get enough returned cards, that would be perfect. You put up a token fight for DOH integration, then staple them to the bottom. "Sorry guys - we tried. (Suckers! - snicker, snicker)" BT then saves 160 jobs for the bottom current membership and forces the company to furlough the management pilots. Very cleaver, yet very transparent.
I wish we could let a few disgruntled sups go back to the line. It would raise the average IQ of both groups.
That's the funniest $hit I've ever heard.
03-14-2010, 10:31 AM
#176
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
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By definition...it will become "hostile" as the union will pursue the jobs if the pilots don't come willingly, but I hope that they do come willingly, because there is a tremendous amount of experience and insight with the company that these FQS can bring with them. I really wish we could have given them an above and beyond offer that will secure their place in the Union....ie. my previous post regarding spots 1-170. This will not only ensure they feel our sacrifice, but also our expectations from them to support the Union and their endeavors....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
SLICE IS BACK, BABY!
03-14-2010, 10:32 AM
#177
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: 757/767 FO
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By definition...it will become "hostile" as the union will pursue the jobs if the pilots don't come willingly, but I hope that they do come willingly, because there is a tremendous amount of experience and insight with the company that these FQS can bring with them. I really wish we could have given them an above and beyond offer that will secure their place in the Union....ie. my previous post regarding spots 1-170. This will not only ensure they feel our sacrifice, but also our expectations from them to support the Union and their endeavors....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
Though DOH is not stapling them to the bottom, it's not offering them any kind of incentive either.....
WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?
Dude, they already got to jump seniority for long enough. 1-170 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too generous. NO WAY! DOH is generous enough.
03-14-2010, 10:34 AM
#178
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Longevity based pay, work rules well short of FAR's, more time off should they return to the line, aren't those incentives? Oh yea,....the ability to return to the line with your sanity should you feel burned out or just feel like telling the boss that you have had enough.......PRICELESS
03-14-2010, 10:39 AM
#179
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Their incentive is a tremendous QOL increase by reducing their duty day to contract limits, more time off, and the ability to say NO when it's wise to do so. And yeah, they may take a little pay hit. In return they get better job security. There's no free lunch for anybody. If that's not good enough, screw 'em!
SLICE IS BACK, BABY!
SLICE IS BACK, BABY!
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