FliFast

Back to the issue at hand. Why doesn't the IPA petition the NMB for single carrier status to include the FQS without a card vote.

After the Allied Pilots Association (American Airlines) pilots *** raped us (TWA) they applied for single carrier status, even though we fought them tooth and nail to prevent it, the NMB approved their petition.

1111

why are some union members falling 170 spots in this offer while others are eating milk in their mash? (1984) I don't remember voting for that offer nor do I remember an arbitrator mandating it.

If the jobs are so damn important to get it done NOW, Staple them to the Top....I bet they sign on to that deal! If the goal is for it to fail, then offer them a spot on the bottom where they can flip burgers until the company finds the money to recall their ever precious FQS! But this limp wristed DOH offer without Union consent is just full of protectionism and division.....

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others",

BrownBusDriver

At one time, there actually were those who would be at the top, and might still be. I can think of one ho is maybe has a hire date that early. I think date of hire is very appropriate and fair.

These guys bring jobs and a need for more reserves. If we get them UPS will very surely bring up the reserve numbers, just remember, they might get mad, but the will move the boxes.

Hang in there.

BrownBusDriver

1111

The issue isn't whether getting the jobs are good/bad for the union. That's clearly good, but the method and timing of integration is totally negotiable. "Fair" is a pretty loose term thrown around like a punch line at parties, while a few continue to get pummelled by these stands of priciple! If getting the FQS to sign is paramount....put them at the top.....if not put them at the bottom, then negotiate from there. It seems the 100+ heading out the door are sittin on the poker table as a double down bet.....hoping the dealer busts! The offer put on the table is a pathetic attempt to have some sort of moral victory amongst the senior majority by feeling good about their "fair" offer. If your gonna be bold...be bold, but I bet the jobs won't be so important when they get stapled to the TOP.....

Shoving it down the companies throat during a time of overmanning is a bold and careless/ingenious move...TBD (as we don't know the whole plan). But those on the bottom will be impacted a hell of alot longer than those at the top!!! SO what is fair again?

Freightpuppy

I would have no problem telling them to get a job if necessary. If their only skill is to be able to flip burgers then they made a huge mistake (getting married and having kids with no skills) a long time ago. Staying at home with your kids while someone else supports you is a privilege not a right. You gotta do what you gotta do for your own family and any wife that would have problems doing whatever job necessary to feed her family is not a wife worth having. I mean, seriously!

767pilot

as a matter of fact, he does. There is government help now in paying the cobra premium

say that again

FWIW, every pilot on the seniority list (especially the ones who are about to be furloughed) better hope this thing passes. Now that the hand has been played, if the IPA loses this one there will be hell to pay for all parties involved for decades to come. Just like after the Teamsters strike in '97, UPS was punitive to it's employees for years. You could expect to be furloughed longer if this doesn't pass.

say that again

I agree with you but rest assured, your point of view is not shared with most IPA wives.

Buck92

Or the higher number of IPA ex-wives who are currently spending my upgrade money by keeping their ex's working longer...

Freightpuppy

That's a shame because last I checked marriage was a partnership.