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Old 03-08-2010, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FDX1
Not quite sure what the heck it is your talking about here but I'll give it a whirl.

How this turned into a God and Country or D. vs. R. diatribe, I'm not sure. FDXLAG I'm not telling you to do anything that would upset your sense of justice or whatever it is your going on about. I thought this was about sending a message to the Senators that are trying to force themselves into a debate with simplistic, pseudo fixes to appease the public about air safety.

I understand how the system works and how to get our message heard. Whether you like the way our political system works or not makes no difference to me. But the issue is important enough for me to help. I don't want to subvert the issue. LAG, Do you really think that this proposal to allow CVR conversations be used as an internal monitor to determine if disciplinary actions should be used against you is a good idea? I have an idea...lets go put a voice recorder in Sen DeMint's office and take a listen every once in a while.

Anyway, it's a stupid proposal and requires significant help to defeat it. By the overwhelming show of support on this forum they will be hearing from many rank and file pilots from across the U.S. that realize the significance of the issue.
I am not sure where you got the idea we disagree on CVR legislation. You really don't see how this got to be a D vs R discussion let me help:

Originally Posted by HazCan
ALPA PAC gives money to elected officials that agree with us on OUR (job) issues. Period, end of story. So, give to the ALPA PAC, then give to the NRA PAC, etc, etc.... If you like your job, give to the ALPA PAC. If you don't, then give money to Sen. DeMint and the anti-labor crowd. Pretty simple.
I wasn't the 1st to bring politics into this. I wasn't the 1st to defend not giving to the PAC. But if you can't see that some of us have priorities besides OUR (job) issues than I guess you wont be able to see what I am talking about.

Yes I think the CVR issue is important and I talked to my Senators. But 85 cents out of every ALPAPAC dollar goes to a democrat which helps promote the democrat agenda. To ignore that would be myopic (a narrow view of something). When ALPAPAC is ready to take the labor party on on taxes let me know I'll be with you.
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Old 03-09-2010, 04:35 AM
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Good idea, and his home phone and cell too. And all of the other boys up there selling what they don't own. Random urine testing should also be required. The public safety demands it!

It is also apparent we need higher standards of background checks, employment verification, documentation-that sort of thing. It is for the children!

Not asking for anything special, just that we all be treated with equality.
And maybe a Birth Certificate or two...?
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lifizgud
And maybe a Birth Certificate or two...?
One real one would do!
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A fairly good source has it that UPS already listens to the CVR for secret disapline . Never doubt the ability of your company to break the law, why because it costs them nothing if caught.
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Old 03-09-2010, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
A fairly good source has it that UPS already listens to the CVR for secret disapline . Never doubt the ability of your company to break the law, why because it costs them nothing if caught.
Disgusting and very unprofessional.
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Old 03-09-2010, 11:25 AM
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Not a 121 guy, still submitted my disgust at this legislation to my congressional reps on your behalf. I whole heartedly disagree with this.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by HireAstarPilots
When I read all the comments on here that are negative regarding ALPA and the ALPA-PAC, there is one recurring theme that comes to mind: The background of the poster.

How many of the people who are negative about ALPA or ALPA-PAC have actually worked at a non-union carrier?

I have. I've seen management run rough-shod over pilots, firing them when they refused to fly un-airworthy airplanes, or refused to fly an airplane that was clearly overloaded, or refused to accept a duty assignment that was clearly against the FAR's.

I think that there are several grown adults who are pilots at Fedex who are immature babies and don't realize how good they have it. And they don't realize that they can park their [insert name of expensive car here] in their garage only, and I do mean ONLY because of the efforts and solidarity of thousands of other pilots who built this union in the previous 50 years or so, and who do spend the dues money each month to support this union. The only thing that keeps our standard of life the way it is is ALPA. It ain't perfect, but neither is the gun I own. It hurts my hand, it kicks like a mule, it is ugly, and it needs to be cleaned all the time.

-But if I get ATTACKED....guess what? At least I've got a fighting chance!


[Only liberal losers or criminals are against "gun" ownership, afterall-]
I tend to agree. I have been at the non union carrier that you discribe. If you don't like the way your union is run get involved. Any union is better than no union if you are a pilot.
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Old 03-09-2010, 05:14 PM
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You forgot to add if you don't like it you can quit. I drive a 2000 ford ranger does that count. ALPA and ALPA-PAC are seperate entities. Neither are above criticism nor are they above defense by moronic strawman builders (not that I am implying you are moronic).
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After reading some of the posts on here...I've come to the conclusion that drug testing of pilots actually is a good idea.
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Originally Posted by JethroFDX
Disgusting and very unprofessional.
Statement defines many in our management
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