777 payrates
01-28-2010, 04:13 PM
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Guys,
Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
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Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
BG
01-28-2010, 04:14 PM
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Come on now lighten up about it. Why in the world should we give anything away in negotiations for a pay rate that already had been negotiated on the A-380. Who knows what we gave away for that? It is being arbitrated and I for one am not willing to give anything else up to change it if the arbitrator tells us to pound sand. Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if they say it should pay the same as the A-380.
01-28-2010, 04:27 PM
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Guys,
Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
BG
Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
BG
I'm tired of folks reaching into a majority of our pockets now for things that will affect a minority group. Did you know the last contract negotiated a scheme to tax all pilots every month for old guy healthcare? That's some of the hidden money BC promised. I'm glad we fought for that one.
UPS has an even bigger pie. They hold it just out of reach and threaten to furlough as they take bites out of it.
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01-28-2010, 05:51 PM
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Guys,
Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
BG
Who says you have to give up anything to get a decent 777 payrate. If you look at your executive compensation, the "pie" has room to grow to accomodate the increase.
It would have been better if the DW's of the world had not bid it, but it's still not a moot point.
Pull together boys,
BG
Once we do that we can negotiate a 777 rate from the ever expanding pie.
01-28-2010, 06:10 PM
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Who ever believes that a higher pay rate will ever be negotiated for the 777 is smoking crack. What incentive does the company or the arbitrator have in providing this.
It is the most senior airplane on the property and for the most part have plenty more lined up to fly it. If crew members were serious about flying it for a higher pay rate, it wouldn't be bid or it would sit idle on the ramp until a pay rate is negotiated.
It is the most senior airplane on the property and for the most part have plenty more lined up to fly it. If crew members were serious about flying it for a higher pay rate, it wouldn't be bid or it would sit idle on the ramp until a pay rate is negotiated.
01-28-2010, 06:53 PM
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There should be no incentive, other than coming to a fair, impartial, equitable decision based on the facts and the persuasiveness of the opposing parties, for an arbitrator to decide for either side.
01-28-2010, 07:27 PM
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Incentive might be a poor choice of words. But I believe that our argument with the arbitrator is very thin based on the excitement of those who have bid the plane under the current work rules.
01-30-2010, 08:50 AM
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How about a little strategery think here boys...Let's not misunderestimate the leverage we have.
If the arbitrator comes back with a higher rate for the 777, FDX can't fly it ULR because our contract reads A-380. So, what do we want in exchange for giving that to them?
p.s. Thx GW
If the arbitrator comes back with a higher rate for the 777, FDX can't fly it ULR because our contract reads A-380. So, what do we want in exchange for giving that to them?
p.s. Thx GW
01-30-2010, 09:12 AM
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How about a little strategery think here boys...Let's not misunderestimate the leverage we have.
If the arbitrator comes back with a higher rate for the 777, FDX can't fly it ULR because our contract reads A-380. So, what do we want in exchange for giving that to them?
p.s. Thx GW
If the arbitrator comes back with a higher rate for the 777, FDX can't fly it ULR because our contract reads A-380. So, what do we want in exchange for giving that to them?
p.s. Thx GW
01-30-2010, 09:29 AM
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But in all seriousness how about a cap on blg if 4A2b is in effect.
Why did you find another policy here that the big O criticized but then continued.
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