navigatro

Was he glad to be telling you this?

Unless your neighbor is J. Barney Fife, I doubt he would know.

I hope I am mistaken, though.

FR8TFLYER

I wouldn't say he was gloating, just telling me. I asked about him and his mangler buddies and he said they were under the threat as well, no numbers tho!

UPSFO4LIFE

Kind of funny, I also have a UPS manager in my hood, and told me last night there is still NO decision on any furlough. In fact, no meetings with IPA are even scheduled. Furlough notices can't go out until IPA is notified. Not saying there is not going to be a furlough, but I really doubt any manager that is willing to talk to you or I, have any clue what is going to happen.


On another note, he said if 300 get furloughed, look for all but about 80 managers to get the ax as well!

FlyFishin

There isn't one manager in SDF that has a friggin clue what will happen, all decisions are made in Atlanta. Even the Chief pilots are kept in the dark until the last second. I highly doubt your manager buddy is 'in the know.' I'm not saying there wont be a furlough, I'm just saying only Atlanta knows at this point.

Naven

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. economy grew at a faster-than-expected 5.7 percent pace in the fourth quarter, the quickest pace in more than six years"

I know the #'s don't mean much. But we are in much better shape today then we were last June when the original furloughs were discussed.

ERJ Jay

PBS = Even more furloughs as the "synchronize the world of commerce" on your backs.

Trust me, PBS is BAD, very BAD, no matter what vendor they look at they all reduce required number of pilots on property over the long term.
Once you have it, it will be close to impossible to get rid of it again.

Just say no.

Night Eagle

According to the letter from the IPA's BT UPS and IPA will be meeting no sooner than Wednesday February 3rd. It says UPS might offer the same retirement as the FQM's.

If the meeting goes bad the furlough / displacement bid would follow I assume since current bid closes Feb 5th. May 4th would be the 90 day notice day for the first furloughees. Let's hope it doesn't go that way. (My calculations this was not in the letter from IPA) The 747-400 should be AQP by March so a much quicker turn in the schoolhouse.

Would be interesting if UPS says no to MOU II offers the same early retirement they did to the FQM's. I wonder if any IPA'ers would accept that offer then UPS could furlough less than 300. Of course if no pilots take it well it makes the IPA'ers look selfish to the bottom 300 (the old divide and conquer mngmt 101)?

Sorry to seem negative I just don't have a good vibe about this when the IPA President warns potential early retirees to watch out and not do it. I know his job is to protect ALL IPA'ers just a thought from someone that knows nothing in the bottom 100 anyone else?

UPSFO4LIFE

I think at this point, anything is possible. I do think though, that if they were going to turn down the MOU, they would have made the decsion by today, as the new bid period starts Sunday. Right now, I would not be suprised to see then furlough 300 or accept the MOU. I guess we shall see next week.....maybe!

As far as warning the early retirees, I think he has to say that because we are way past the so called decision point. I would not want to retire under the MOU if the MOU never happens.

Shaggy1970

I think that furlough is on the horizon. The fact that they turned down the savings for 10-02 should be the final nail in the coffin for the nay sayers. It's going to get interesting next week, that's for sure. The wrench in the system is the 400 in ANC. It's easy to replace the folks on the mad dog, invoke article 14 and move the SDF based crew members up to ANC to supplement the flying but the 400 flying is going to be hard to cover. Looking into my crystal ball you can bet a furlough of a 100-150 letters to be sent out then about 20-30 a month until they reach the 300-400. I wish us luck and hope I am wrong but this company doesn't care about me or anyone else out there just only the bottom line.

Luckydawg

Where do you get that they turned down the savings for 10-02? Many people right now are preparing for RDG,s, etc. If the whole MOU is turned down then, 10-02 falls down with it.

The MOU could fail but there are many things lining up in our favor.

Aside from the most ominous thing (new hire class, they said this was the last airline we would ever work for), there are way too many variables for this thing to fail.

- $244 million in savings on the table, tough to walk away from
- 150 retirements in 3 years
- MOU provides flexibility in a questionable environment
- Flying out of Asia/Middle East way up
- UPS 4th quarter earnings up from $.58 to .65 per share to .73 to .75 per
- Wall street acted favorably to MOU 1
- Possible FAR changes in the near term
- More labor friendly political environment
- Training costs.... this really does exist

I don't think they will furlough.