Archie Bunker

Now this is interesting...I would make it at least a 100% or more dues increase. I would vote yes on this in a heartbeat. I wonder if something like this would pass muster with the members? Equally, I wonder if it could pass through all the legal wickets?

highsky

It's just a list of names. The union isn't telling members what to do with the list of names.

Well, it would certainly depend on the level of "justice" about which we're talking.

We've all heard the stories about how scabs get treated at United and Continental. Those guys administering the justice never get in any trouble. I'm not suggesting OT/JA cheaters are scabs, but you get the idea.

767pilot

Seems to me that things in life never happen when they are supposed to, but good luck today everybody!

Dead Tired

What's going to happen is that when the first signs of harassment show up, the company will dump the paycodes off the website. Then it will be much more difficult to see who's doing what although not impossible. The company has pulled the paycodes in the past and they will probably do it again.

Arch is correct in that if you are caught harassing anyone you're going to find yourself unemployed. The company has a pretty strict anti-harassment policy and firing somebody over this policy is just one less person they have to furlough. All it would take is the person being harassed to turn in the names (if known) to the company and you're OUT!

How the union would handle this scenario is the unknown. We've never crossed this bridge before. We came close to furloughing in the past and the union "sugested" that crewmembers "enjoy their days off". What we didn't have then is language in the contract regarding this issue like we do now. Should a furlough happen, it will be interesting how the union reacts towards those doing OT/JA.

fedupbusdriver

I've never read your contract, but by reading comments here, it seems that the burden on the OT/JA ban lies on the pilot. In our contract, it is on the company not to offer/allow makeup or volunteer flying during a furlough. The company is allowed to draft in certain situations, but they cannot allow pilots to fly extra just because they want to make a little extra money. Something to think about for your next contract, because written this way, you can blame the company in a grievance instead of trying to sway the actions of individual greedy pilots.

Good luck to all.

Pharo351

Interesting, but maybe hard to prove someone is harassing another. He said, You Said, pull the CVR. "Hmmmm seems like all the guy said was every word on the checklist. Never offered a choice in crew meal, always asked to cut non-essential communication, asked to leave flood lights on all night and for the crew member to stop trying to read non-essential pubs while endlessly questioning the crew members judgement. Maybe called to many times while said crewmember tried to sleep on layover, or played said trumpet next door all night. Will looks like nothing outside the SOP here."

Archie Bunker

You are absolutely correct. The onus is on the individual pilot to adhere to the policy of no OT/JA once the company announces a furlough.

Unfortunately, we have a few pilots at UPS that are on their own greedy program, and can't possibly survive on anything less than 100 hours credit per month in order to pay their 3 ex wives, continue to afford the house in Hawaii, and keep the 2 Cessnas. These are the guys that will cry: "But I need the money," if the union asked them what they were doing.

While this is all happening, the company is just sitting back and laughing at us. What better way to "divide and conquer," than when we do it to ourselves?

fedupbusdriver

Same song, different melody over here.

Archie Bunker

Pharo, I'm assuming that you're a pilot at Brown. If I'm wrong, I apologize in advance.

Everything you wrote looks great on paper, but in the world of UPS, you know as well as I do that management tends to "shoot first, and ask questions later."

I would not want to get cute with these guys, and dare them to prove my guilt. Fellow UPS'ers feel free to chime in here, but I'd bet you'd be fired in a heartbeat if accused of workplace harassment (even with the slightest evidence, like some Capt's word). Then you'd find yourself unemployed, fighting to get your job back. Help from the union lawyers? Good luck on that one. Fighting UPS with your own lawyer? They've got more money and lawyers than Dunkin's got donuts. Again, have fun with that.

Lastly, ever been on a 12 day international trip with some Capt that you can't stand? I don't think I need to go into detail just how much more miserable that trip would be if you treated each other like crap in the cockpit.

I like the money punishment method (increased dues for violators) that someone else mentioned earlier in this thread. I would vote for that in a New York minute. I don't know if this would be legal or not, but I love the concept because it hits the greedy violators right where it hurts...in their bank account.

Buck92

haha, onus!