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01-18-2010, 01:14 PM

#31

brownie

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Originally Posted by highsky

At a minimum, the union ought to publish a list of those cheating on the OT/JA ban.

I'm all for that but doing this the union will put themselves in a real lawsuit situation.

01-18-2010, 01:19 PM

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MX727

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Raise the dues rate on OT flying during a ban. 50% should work nicely. Special assessment to assist furloughed pilots and their families.

01-18-2010, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by highsky

At a minimum, the union ought to publish a list of those cheating on the OT/JA ban.

Pretty sad we even have to discuss enforcing this but there are plenty who will pick up OT. The IPA has no balls if they don't do something to enforce it.

01-18-2010, 01:30 PM

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Deuce130

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Can the company even offer up OT flying if there is a furlough? Seems if the ban is written in the contract, it would be a violation for UPS to solicit volunteers at all.

01-18-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FR8TFLYER

Pretty sad we even have to discuss enforcing this but there are plenty who will pick up OT. The IPA has no balls if they don't do something to enforce it.

OK OK You said BALLS. Moderator. Moderator

01-18-2010, 01:45 PM

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highsky

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Originally Posted by brownie

I'm all for that but doing this the union will put themselves in a real lawsuit situation.

Well, I'm not a lawyer, but I don't really see what is libel about it. It would just be a simple list of names. There wouldn't be any official "harassment" directly from the IPA.

Any and all retribution, harassment, and justice would be delivered from the offending person's peers and crew mates, without an official directive from the IPA.

01-18-2010, 02:00 PM

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Hell. Ive been in all 3 domiciles in lower 48 and can tell u who the regular offenders are, Actually in all fleets. I be the first one to post it on a b&g and updates reguraley.

Hopefully wont go that route but thing can turn on a dime around here.

01-18-2010, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by brownie

Hell. Ive been in all 3 domiciles in lower 48 and can tell u who the regular offenders are, Actually in all fleets. I be the first one to post it on a b&g and updates reguraley.

Hopefully wont go that route but thing can turn on a dime around here.

Ok you said reguraley! Moderator...

Sorry, couldn't help myself Brownie.

01-18-2010, 03:03 PM

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Archie Bunker

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Originally Posted by highsky
"At a minimum, the union ought to publish a list of those cheating on the OT/JA ban".

Quote:

Originally Posted by brownie

I'm all for that but doing this the union will put themselves in a real lawsuit situation.

I would love to see a list of those crewmembers that violate the OT/JA ban. However, I believe Brownie is absolutely right. For that reason alone, I don't think "a list" would ever be generated by the union to "out" the offenders.

01-18-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by highsky

Well, I'm not a lawyer, but I don't really see what is libel about it. It would just be a simple list of names. There wouldn't be any official "harassment" directly from the IPA.

Just playing the devil's advocate here, but I think they could argue the "harassment" angle quite easily. They're being singled out and publicly humiliated for exercising their right to pick up OT/JA. They aren't breaking any company rules...in fact, the company supports them. See where I'm going here?

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Originally Posted by highsky

Any and all retribution, harassment, and justice would be delivered from the offending person's peers and crew mates, without an official directive from the IPA.

While I admire your enthusiasm, here's where we can get into real trouble. I guarantee you that any pilot caught dealing out any "retribution, harassment, or justice" would be fired by UPS faster than a rabbit gets...well, you get the idea. A person fired would have no recourse, and certainly no help from the union. You'd be on your own in the unemployment line.