viktorbravo

And he obviously has no idea WTF he is talking about. man so many trolls here. Kinda amusing though.....

TonyC

In the interest of accuracy:


I'm not sure what you meant by "very low number," so I'll just refresh your memory on the actual numbers. The Minimum Bid Period Guarantee (not BLG, not a big deal, just trying to be accurate here) is 68/85/102 Credit Hours for a 4-/5-/6-week bid period. Prior to ANY pilot being furloughed, the Minimum Bid Period Guarantee would be dropped to 48/60/72 Credit Hours, and it could only be dropped after prior notice of 1 bid period.

During the period when ANY pilot is on furlough, there will be no Volunteer in any seat. There is no restriction on DRAFT.





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RedeyeAV8r

Tony is Correct.........However, The contractual language (in my opinion) does not clarify what the min guarantee would be "After" a furlough.............The contract simply states "Prior to any furlough" the min guarantee will be dropped..........this may delay or quite possibly prevent a furlough. In my opinion I don't think contractually it mandates the MIN Guarantees must remain at these LOW levels while pilots are on Furlough. Also I am sure many would partake of as much Draft as possible(assuming it was available) to get their personal BLG's back up towards the norm.

IN 1998 speaking with the former Negotiating committee........they attempted to get a "NO Furlough Clause" in the contract. Unfortunately, as with just about every other section, we came up short.

atpwannabe

Now, I'm no expert by any stretch of the imagination, let alone an informed novice on major airline issues, however, I believe it's safe to say that if FedEx does lose the US mail contract, that whatever negotiations that FedEx has going on with the Chinese, that the revenue that will be generated from the expansion into the Asian markets will certainly surpass anything that the USPS has to offer.

Sad to say, but true.


atp

RedeyeAV8r

ATP.........Why do you think SCOPE is such an important cornerstone Issue?

Pilot7576

Guys...

Not being at purple but having lots of friends there, it seems to me that your retirements within the next couple of years far outstrip those here at ups. So even if the postal contract goes away (which I doubt, I think the usps just wants to spread out the risk) you may just have a slowdown in hiring until manning balances out.

JMO

Pilot7576

RedeyeAV8r

Remember Also we have 115 727's and 38 Dc-10's........all 3 seaters.

We are retiring both of these airframes........if you replace them 1 for 1..you are lose 5 crew members per airplane......(Using the company Formula of 5 crews per plane)

153 X 5 = 765 seats that won't be there when all the 3 holers are gone. If the Age 60 changes.......that also factors in.

atpwannabe

RedEye:

Forgive me for being naive, or rather uninformed, but what do you mean by scope? I've seen the term used countless times. I sent a PM to rickair7777 to explain it to me but he hasn't gotten back to me yet.

On another subject, with the 765 seat that would be gone as result of retiring the 727's & the DC-10's, do you think that the acquistion of new a/c will help to keep that number lower than what you projected?

atp

RedeyeAV8r

ATP I will try to Splain it to you.

SCOPE defines the boundries of the Labor contract.........It defines What routes, Airplanes the Pilots on the Seniority list fly...............It is very important to us.

What good is an increase in Airplanes or Routes...(from a Pilot's perspective) If the we the pilots on the List do not fly these new routes or Airplanes......................Look at the PAX carriers and their Pilots......Much of the growth in the past few years on the PAX side has been with the RJ's or small jets flown by the Express feeders instead of the mainline. Many of the routes being flown by the Feeders were once flown by mainline jets....ie DC-9s or 737's or Fokker 100's...in CORP terms........higher salaried Pilot's jobs(Big Jets) were Outsourced to Lower paying Pilot jobs( Small Jets). The problem is growing. There are more and more Small jets (and they are getting bigger) but the paychecks aren't.


As to your second question........a one for one swap of a new 2 crew airplane replacing a 3 crew airplane is one less pilot needed.......period.
All new airplanes are 2 crew airplanes.......just the way it is "Technology Rules"........The real problem will occur if they retire airplanes and don't replace them.........or replace them with "Other" Pilots flying them...........................Get the drift??

atpwannabe

Gotcha. I appreciate the explanation.

Btw, "Other" pilots....meaning those coming from the regionals or else where within the industry of the US or foreign (indigenous) pilots?

atp