Naven

Yes please sign up for something so this MOU continues. We need to make sure that Brownie and Avg Joe can continue to pick up opentime while badmouthing the MOU.

cashcow

What's so odd about that? It's actually good business sense! UPS is getting crew members at a discount! Look at it this way. A Captain hired in 1988 (21 years of service) is eligible for $3,000*21 = $63,000 years in retirement. If he keeps working UPS does not pay him his retirement while he is working.

Pay rate for a 15 year Captain effective the first pay period after January 1, 2010 is $244.28. Somebody feel free to check my math, but the concept remains the same.

So if a Captain keeps working past age 60 UPS pays him (75 + 5.5 sick)*13 = 1,046.5 hours a year which equals $255,639 minus $63,000 = $192,639. Or look at it this way, the effective hourly rate of an over age 60 Captain is $184.08 which is only $12.48 more than a 15 year First Officer!

Now add the likelihood of dying younger if you work past age 60, and thus even less retirement pay out, UPS is laughing all the way to the bank on this deal.

The only downside is that working past 20 years of service results in 5 weeks of vacation. But the easy fix to mitigate that is RDG lines with no vacation conflict so UPS can get away with even less pilots!

I wonder why Andy Murphy did not address increased vacations coming up as well as how much open time is picked up company wide? Must not meet the agenda of the current union leadership? In a week we will know if we have a fighting chance in the next round of contract negotiations.

FR8TFLYER

Cow-

Good analysis. One flaw with the old guys not being able to conflict vacation while on RDG. You got to get these guys to sign up to RDG to begin with! Apparently they need all the $$ they can get.

Flying Dog

The new pay leveling option is a good deal. Here is my attempt to make it crystal clear.

Here's how pay leveling would work for one RDG in 2010 and one RDG in 2011.

We get paid 150 hours for one regular 56 day bid period; 75 hours per 28 day pay period; or 37.5 hours per 14 day paycheck.
One original RDG reduces pay by 75 hours in one regular 56 day bid period; 37.5 in each of two pay periods; or 18.75 in each of four paychecks.

2010: 10-3 through 10-13 is eleven (11) pay periods or twenty-two (22) paychecks.
75 x 11 = 825.
825 - (37.5 x 2) = 750.
750 / 11 = 68.18.
So with pay leveling, you would be paid 68.18 hours per pay period, or 34.09 hours per paycheck from 10-3 to 10-13.
The pay reduction is 6.82 hours per pay period, or 3.41 hours per paycheck from 10-3 to 10-13.

2011: 11-1 through 11-13 is thirteen (13) pay periods or twenty-six (26) paychecks.
75 x 13 = 975.
975 - (37.5 x 2) = 900.
900 / 13 = 69.23.
So with pay leveling, you would be paid 69.23 hours per pay period, or 34.62 hours per paycheck from 11-1 to 11-13.
The pay reduction is 5.77 hours per pay period, or 2.88 hours per paycheck from 11-1 to 11-13.


Here are a few more calculations. I'll spare you the full math.

One RDG in the 28 day Bid Period 10-07: 1.71 hours pay reduction per paycheck 10-3 to 10-13.
One RDG in the 28 day Bid Period 11-07: 1.44 hours pay reduction per paycheck 11-1 to 11-13.
One 55 hour reserve RDG in 2010: 1.82 hours pay reduction per paycheck 10-3 to 10-13.
One 55 hour reserve RDG in 2011: 1.54 hours pay reduction per paycheck 11-1 to 11-13.
One 55 hour reserve RDG in Bid Period 10-07: 0.91 hours pay reduction per paycheck 10-3 to 10-13.
One 55 hour reserve RDG in Bid Period 11-07: 0.77 hours pay reduction per paycheck 11-1 to 11-13.


I hope this helps in your decision making.

Freightpuppy

No kidding!

Good points cashcow.

Freightpuppy

OMG! brownie....I love you and all....really, i do, you are a union brother but my GAWD.....

The place has it's flaws, I know but is there any airline you'd rather be at? United maybe?

brownie

Northwest, with a glass of scotch and my laptop.

Freightpuppy

There you go! LOL

Swedish Blender

You forgot to factor in the 12% B fund. Using your $255,639, it equates to an additional $30,676. Makes the rate $213.39 with your numbers.

brownie

Well you should be happy that i pick up open time that way i can help to KEEP YOU EMPLOYED. The reason i pick up open time is to pay ups back for MY CREDIT DEFICITS on RDG LINES that i signed up for so you CAN REMAIN EMPLOYED. If you have a problem with that just let me know and i be glad not to sign up for the next round of mou and i can go back to my good ole 75 hr gaurantee.
Tick Tock Tick Tock. Times running out, just let me know.
P.S. There are guys like you that i run into at nasc every other week with thier sense of entitlement and smart mouth that makes me wonder why i took a pay cut to keep you here and to make sure not to make the same MISTAKE again. Have a great 2010.