FDX - Will 4a2b be permanent?
11-19-2009, 03:04 PM
#31
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You're talking about normal times without 4a2b in play. Now that we're in it we shouldn't be building VTO lines above 68/85 while bidpacks average less than 68/85. There are no single departure lines as high as the MD-11 VTO max.
You can get contractual and say it can be done per the CBA but the CBA also says 4a2b is to be used to 'Prevent or Delay'. It's not being used that way. It's being used to artificially keep the bidpack averages down.
I'm just saying...
You can get contractual and say it can be done per the CBA but the CBA also says 4a2b is to be used to 'Prevent or Delay'. It's not being used that way. It's being used to artificially keep the bidpack averages down.
I'm just saying...
Again, just saying!
11-19-2009, 03:13 PM
#33
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Who/where are the guys that say and actually believe this?
I'm a 75% MD Capt, I'm usually on Reserve ... that means that I get paid 3 hours less than ave BLG. How is that a senior guy "not being affected by 4.a.2.b?" Huh?
In fact, with the low line values, I might actually have been paid more as a senior f/o when BLG was in the 80+ range.
11-19-2009, 04:18 PM
#35
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You're right. There are always guys willing to pick up draft/vlt. What bugs me is when people on this forum blame the "Memphis" guys for all our problems. Most the FOs I fly with who are on Draft/vlt are commuters who rationalize the trip because they had a day off between trips in Memphis.
Memphis guys are equally guilty, but not more guilty. Let's stop assigning blame on different groups. (Not that you did Purple.)
As to lack of crews, the holidays are coming up and so are the inevitable Memphis ice storms. No amount of money will get me out of my cozy little bed on or near a holiday or during a storm.
I believe heads will roll because of out lack of reserves.
Memphis guys are equally guilty, but not more guilty. Let's stop assigning blame on different groups. (Not that you did Purple.)
As to lack of crews, the holidays are coming up and so are the inevitable Memphis ice storms. No amount of money will get me out of my cozy little bed on or near a holiday or during a storm.
I believe heads will roll because of out lack of reserves.
11-19-2009, 04:34 PM
#36
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Yep, I think the first major ice storm will be catastrophic for the company. There aren't enough guys in Memphis (reserve or living) to cover 50 - 60% of the trips on a given night that would need new crews due to duty day limits from an ice storm.
11-19-2009, 06:39 PM
#38
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It is simple to see the company decided to change the staffing philosophy to save money, and the math is easy.
Say you have 140 pilots and 7000 hours of flying to cover.
With 100 hard lines @ 70 hours per line, the company would pay a total of 9800 hours for that month. 7000 hard hours plus the 2800 to the 40 reserve holders.
They will never go to "0" reserves, but to illustrate the point, with the same 7000 hours spread over 140 hard lines with no reserves, each pilot only gets 50 hours each and the total pay difference saves the company 2800 pay hours that month. This can only be done under 4.a.2.b, but saves the company a ridiculous amount when applied to all fleets and seats. The closer to the "zero" reserve model they can get, the more they save...
The flying has not really reduced at all, just the staffing model. They used to carry enough crews to be properly staffed for peak and carried a little fluff throughout the year, and reserves to cover all circumstances and make sure the boxes always got there on time. Now, they figure the money saved will more than make up for the occasional missed delivery.
Sad how it's all about the bottom line, and the only one's losing here are both the employees and the customers. Almost guaranteed that come 12-24 months from now, some top 5-10 executives get paid out all the money that has been saved in some silly bonuses.
Say you have 140 pilots and 7000 hours of flying to cover.
With 100 hard lines @ 70 hours per line, the company would pay a total of 9800 hours for that month. 7000 hard hours plus the 2800 to the 40 reserve holders.
They will never go to "0" reserves, but to illustrate the point, with the same 7000 hours spread over 140 hard lines with no reserves, each pilot only gets 50 hours each and the total pay difference saves the company 2800 pay hours that month. This can only be done under 4.a.2.b, but saves the company a ridiculous amount when applied to all fleets and seats. The closer to the "zero" reserve model they can get, the more they save...
The flying has not really reduced at all, just the staffing model. They used to carry enough crews to be properly staffed for peak and carried a little fluff throughout the year, and reserves to cover all circumstances and make sure the boxes always got there on time. Now, they figure the money saved will more than make up for the occasional missed delivery.
Sad how it's all about the bottom line, and the only one's losing here are both the employees and the customers. Almost guaranteed that come 12-24 months from now, some top 5-10 executives get paid out all the money that has been saved in some silly bonuses.
11-19-2009, 08:03 PM
#39
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11-19-2009, 08:11 PM
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It is simple to see the company decided to change the staffing philosophy to save money, and the math is easy.
Say you have 140 pilots and 7000 hours of flying to cover.
With 100 hard lines @ 70 hours per line, the company would pay a total of 9800 hours for that month. 7000 hard hours plus the 2800 to the 40 reserve holders.
They will never go to "0" reserves, but to illustrate the point, with the same 7000 hours spread over 140 hard lines with no reserves, each pilot only gets 50 hours each and the total pay difference saves the company 2800 pay hours that month. This can only be done under 4.a.2.b, but saves the company a ridiculous amount when applied to all fleets and seats. The closer to the "zero" reserve model they can get, the more they save...
The flying has not really reduced at all, just the staffing model. They used to carry enough crews to be properly staffed for peak and carried a little fluff throughout the year, and reserves to cover all circumstances and make sure the boxes always got there on time. Now, they figure the money saved will more than make up for the occasional missed delivery.
Sad how it's all about the bottom line, and the only one's losing here are both the employees and the customers. Almost guaranteed that come 12-24 months from now, some top 5-10 executives get paid out all the money that has been saved in some silly bonuses.
Say you have 140 pilots and 7000 hours of flying to cover.
With 100 hard lines @ 70 hours per line, the company would pay a total of 9800 hours for that month. 7000 hard hours plus the 2800 to the 40 reserve holders.
They will never go to "0" reserves, but to illustrate the point, with the same 7000 hours spread over 140 hard lines with no reserves, each pilot only gets 50 hours each and the total pay difference saves the company 2800 pay hours that month. This can only be done under 4.a.2.b, but saves the company a ridiculous amount when applied to all fleets and seats. The closer to the "zero" reserve model they can get, the more they save...
The flying has not really reduced at all, just the staffing model. They used to carry enough crews to be properly staffed for peak and carried a little fluff throughout the year, and reserves to cover all circumstances and make sure the boxes always got there on time. Now, they figure the money saved will more than make up for the occasional missed delivery.
Sad how it's all about the bottom line, and the only one's losing here are both the employees and the customers. Almost guaranteed that come 12-24 months from now, some top 5-10 executives get paid out all the money that has been saved in some silly bonuses.
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